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Hillary was on a power trip -- Keyes is on a rescue mission. BIG DIFFERENCE
Pantagraph ^ | Aug. 6, 04 | Churchillbuff

Posted on 08/06/2004 8:03:31 AM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: Howlin
False prediction? What does that mean?

It means political figures can't be expected to tell their own future, any more than you or I. Everyone knows somebody who honestly says "I'm going to do this" or "I'm not going to do that" with their life, and they end up doing the opposite.

Cheney obviously didn't think he was in the running for VP. If he had, he would've changed his residency from the start.

The only alternative is that Cheney was on the search committee for Bush with the intention all along of recommending himself as running mate. I doubt it. He didn't see it coming.

And no, I'm not going to spend the next few hours finding a quote. I'm off to bed. Sorry.

G'night, ladies.

321 posted on 08/06/2004 11:00:06 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Howlin
If I'm reading the tea leaves (tips in the news media, etc), Keyes was invited in by State Senator Dave Syverson, who is on the IL GOP committee.
322 posted on 08/06/2004 11:08:53 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: Gelato
If he had, he would've changed his residency from the start.

And there lies the difference; Cheney was from Wyoming; he had a HOME in Wyoming; his children were raised there. He lived in Texas because of his current job.

All Cheney had to do was change his voter's registration.

Is Alan Keyes going to buy a house?

323 posted on 08/06/2004 11:29:27 PM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

Thank you; looks like Syverson made the call; I just wish I knew who called who about bringing his name up in the first place.


324 posted on 08/06/2004 11:30:03 PM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: Gelato
Because they drafted him.

And that alone is reason enough to jettison political beliefs he claims to have held much of his life? Dr. Keyes holds up the political philosophies laid out in the Federalist Papers as what our government should be like. If he finds Mrs. Clinton's actions of running for office in a state she had never lived in prior to the campaign contrary to those federalist beliefs then how can he now dump those beliefs at this opportune moment? And if he can drop those principles like a hot rock just so he can run for the Senate himself then how can anyone respect that?

325 posted on 08/07/2004 5:09:40 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: GetZarqawiNow; MikeJ75; TOUGH STOUGH; LandOfLincolnGOP; Non-Sequitur; loveliberty2; LS; ...
The definitions below, from Merriem-Webster online dictionary, show that Keyes is no "carpetbagger." First, he's not going to Illinois for "private gain" -- he's answering a call for assistance from a party in peril. Second, he's not "meddling in [Illinois] politics," because to "meddle" means to "interfere without right or propriety"; Keyes is not "interfering" at all -- he's answering a summons for help.

Main Entry: car·pet·bag·ger

Pronunciation: -"ba-g&r

Function: noun

Etymology: from their carrying all their belongings in carpetbags

1 : a Northerner in the South after the American Civil War usually seeking private gain under the reconstruction governments

2 : OUTSIDER; especially : a nonresident or new resident who meddles in politics

Main Entry: med·dle

Pronunciation: 'me-d&l

Function: intransitive verb

Inflected Form(s): med·dled; med·dling /'med-li[ng], 'me-d&l-i[ng]/

Etymology: Middle English medlen, from Middle French mesler, medler, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin misculare, from Latin miscEre to mix -- more at MIX

: to interest oneself in what is not one's concern : interfere without right or propriety

327 posted on 08/07/2004 7:55:09 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
You can parse definitions all you want, but this is a bad idea whether it's carpetbagging or not, and does nothing to negate Keyes' own strongly stated convictions about the "destruction of federalism". I agree with what Keyes said in March 2000 (See my post #32), and I'm not going to compromise my principles on the matter just because it may help my party in this one instance. I for one am disappointed in Keyes' decision.

Somehow I've got a sneaking suspicion you wouldn't be so gung-ho about this idea if it had been the Democratic Party in Georgia who had sent out a "summons for help" to some well-known non-resident to come in and run for Senate there.

329 posted on 08/07/2004 8:10:45 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: BlackRazor; GetZarqawiNow

I asked in a post yesterday - and nobody answered -- Should the Texicans have told Davy Crockett to go back to Tennessee when he came to help them fight for independence? Well, should they have?


330 posted on 08/07/2004 8:20:45 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Howlin
Is Alan Keyes going to buy a house?

I don't think he could given his financial troubles, maybe he'll rent a room at the "Y" instead?

331 posted on 08/07/2004 8:59:10 AM PDT by mastequilla
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To: churchillbuff

Some of these posters against Alan Keyes are fairly new posters. Wonder if they said the same thing when Robert Kennedy and Hillary went to NY as both had spotted where they could win the easiest and get the most limelight.

I say ignore the doom and gloomers, sky is falling crowd that are not happy about any positives from the Republicans and work on getting every last Republican running for Senate and House elected along with the President.

What I am hoping is that our race in Oklahoma has been targeted by the Dems (Dr. Tom is going to win but it will be tough) and a lot of money is being poured into the State by the RATs. Now with Alan Keyes entering the Illinois race, the RATs are going to have to defend in a State they didn't count on and may ultimately help our Senate race in OK.

Get out the grassroots, get them energized, and you all can win this race -- going to take a lot of walking, pounding doors, telephone calling, etc., but it is doable.


333 posted on 08/07/2004 9:13:18 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Win Another One for the Gipper!)
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To: churchillbuff

It's all just perfume on a pig.


334 posted on 08/07/2004 10:03:53 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I don't trust men who inject poison in their faces to remove wrinkles or who are democrats.)
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To: LS

Respectfully -
what are they protecting the states from? Someone else getting a bigger helping of pork than they do?

Because frankly I can't see anything else that's a threat. I mean sure, there may be some isolated dispute about water rights or something, but you don't have to be FROM Illinois to know that it's your defacto job to take the state's side on routine stuff like that.

Educate me. What will Obama or keyes be protecting Illinois from? Those nasty Cheeseheads becoming a threat again? ;)


335 posted on 08/07/2004 12:14:33 PM PDT by WillRain
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To: LS

Do you realize how many Senators and other politicians in the first, say 50 years under our constitution had moved in from other parts of the country?

I haven't researched it but off the top of my head several examples come to mind.

they may or may not approve of what keyes is being asked to do, but no honest reading of history can suggest that they did not consider it possible but likely that an office holder might be a new resident. After all, the set up stringent residence requirements for President, so it's not like the issue didn't cross their mind.


336 posted on 08/07/2004 12:27:06 PM PDT by WillRain
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To: churchillbuff
Mr. Keyes may be responding to a call for help. But in the dem world, didn't Frank Lautenberg? Toricelli was going down in flames. So was the repub in Illinois. Toricelli was forced out. So was the repub in Illinois. Lautenberg was called in to save the race. So is Keyes.

Are you happy with what the New Jersey dems did with Toricelli and Lautenberg? If you can't see the Hilliary/Keyes carpetbagger comparision then the Toricelli/Lautenberg comparison also fits.

337 posted on 08/07/2004 12:31:02 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Howlin

Is there more than one quote?

I wasn't aware that keyes had invoked the term carpetbagger in RE Hillary. It's not in the most prominently circulated quote.


338 posted on 08/07/2004 12:42:43 PM PDT by WillRain
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To: WillRain

They would see it as abhorrent. They would see a BIG difference in, say, a Davy Crockett MOVING to Tennessee to establish a home, THEN running for office as a genuine resident, and someone from New York riding in his carriage down to South Carolina to run for an office. Ever element of the Constitution emphasizes LOCAL control, not carpetbagger control.


339 posted on 08/07/2004 12:46:28 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: WillRain
It's not in the most prominently circulated quote.

Of course not; unless you read every single article that's been written about him this week; it's in ALL of them.

340 posted on 08/07/2004 12:47:07 PM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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