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Republicans, searching for votes, look to Amish for support
The State ^ | 8/5/04 | LARA JAKES JORDAN/AP

Posted on 08/05/2004 1:13:59 PM PDT by wagglebee

BIRD-IN-HAND, Pa. - The Amish live without electricity, cars, telephones, and usually, without voting. But they are being sought out this year as Republicans try to sign up every possible supporter in presidential battleground states.

Amish almost always side with the Republican Party when they do vote - making them an attractive, if unlikely, voting bloc in the neck-and-neck campaign between President Bush and Democratic nominee John Kerry. A majority of the nation's Amish live in key swing states like Pennsylvania and Ohio.

"Pennsylvania and Ohio are just absolute battleground states, and to think that the Amish could weigh in to the tune of thousands of votes that are clearly going to be Republican - that could be very significant for Bush," said Chet Beiler, a former Amish who has been dropping off voter registration forms at Amish businesses and farms in hopes of signing up as many as 3,000 new voters.

As pacifists, most Amish avoid political activity that they believe would link them even indirectly with government-sponsored violence. But hot-button social issues, coupled with gentle prompting from people like Beiler, are galvanizing some Amish to register to vote.

"We hate that abortion issue," said Sam Stolztfus, 60, an Amish farmer and gazebo maker in Pennsylvania's Lancaster County, where an estimated 27,000 Amish live. "We're totally against it. And as far as gay issues, that's completely contrary to the Bible."

The bearded Stolztfus proudly says the Amish are "sort of swept up with Bush fever."

"You could hold up a dead mouse with a sign 'I love Bush' and we'd still probably think twice about stomping that mouse underfoot."

An estimated 180,000 Amish live in 28 states and Ontario. They are a reserved, Christian subculture in rural areas who descend from Swiss Germans and settled in Lancaster County in the early 1700s as part of William Penn's "holy experiment" in religious tolerance. The Amish do not drive cars, watch TV or use telephones in their homes, and are instantly recognizable by their horse-driven buggies and plain garb, bonnets and straw hats.

Physically casting a ballot will not be a problem for Amish in Lancaster County, where mechanical lever voting machines are still used.

"Their basic political inclinations are traditional and conservative," said Don Kraybill, a sociologist of Anabaptist studies at Elizabethtown College in Lancaster. "Although the Amish are not politically active, they make an enticing target for Republicans, politically, because they are likely going to vote Republican."

But experts believe fewer than 10 percent of Amish ever vote, and the prospect of them turning out in great numbers in November is "not going to happen," Kraybill said. "These things occur gradually, over 30 to 40 years - not quickly."

Neither presidential campaign is targeting the Amish, although Bush privately met with about 30 Amish during a July 9 campaign trip through Lancaster County. Earlier this year, the Bush administration relaxed federal labor laws to let Amish teenagers work near dangerous woodworking machines. The Amish had lobbied for the changes for years.

Democrats have all but ceded the Amish vote to Republicans.

"If I know Republicans and their grass-roots operations, they'll spend most of their time trying to phone bank the Amish," said Kerry spokesman Mark Nevins.

Not all Amish are comfortable with the Bush administration - particularly the president's decision to invade Iraq. But John Fisher, who welds iron products in Lancaster and is father of seven children, said Bush's "focus on the family" will win his vote.

Of the war, "something needed to be done," said Fisher, a member of Lancaster's Amish community. "I don't agree with war at all. But he had to do what he had to do."

In Ohio, Amish have begun reaching out to the state Republican Party to learn more about Bush, said party spokesman Jason Mauk. An estimated 55,000 Amish live in Ohio - more than in any other state.

"A lot of Amish Ohioans respect the president as a man of faith and someone who leads with conviction," Mauk said. "These are people who care about our religious freedom and the moral fabric of society. That's motivating a lot of Amish to do what they have not done before, and reach out to us to start a dialogue."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania
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I wonder if Tereza even knows that the Amish live in her one-time "homestate".
1 posted on 08/05/2004 1:14:03 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Would you care to give a rough guess-timate at how many votes The Prez might get from the Amish in PA and in OH?

I'd be interested to know.


2 posted on 08/05/2004 1:17:32 PM PDT by no dems (Ignorance is "bliss"; and every Democrat I know is "bliss-tered".)
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To: wagglebee

Can the Amish use an electronic voting machine?


3 posted on 08/05/2004 1:17:48 PM PDT by mastequilla
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To: wagglebee
"If I know Republicans and their grass-roots operations, they'll spend most of their time trying to phone bank the Amish," said Kerry spokesman Mark Nevins.

What smarmy assh*les the Democrats are.

4 posted on 08/05/2004 1:18:09 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: mastequilla

They can use any electronic appliance, they just can't own it.


5 posted on 08/05/2004 1:19:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (John kerry is unbalanced)
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To: no dems
"If I know Republicans and their grass-roots operations, they'll spend most of their time trying to phone bank the Amish," said Kerry spokesman Mark Nevins.

Is this a joke? Amish don't have phones do they?
6 posted on 08/05/2004 1:19:40 PM PDT by dsmatuska
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To: mastequilla
Can the Amish use an electronic voting machine?

Even if some Amish are conscience-stricken on that point, they can always mail in a ballot.

7 posted on 08/05/2004 1:20:17 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wagglebee

Bird-In-Hand; isn't that close to Intercourse?


8 posted on 08/05/2004 1:24:03 PM PDT by Born Conservative (“Consensus is the negation of leadership.” – Margaret Thatcher)
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To: wideawake

wideawake wrote:

"If I know Republicans and their grass-roots operations, they'll spend most of their time trying to phone bank the Amish," said Kerry spokesman Mark Nevins.

What smarmy assh*les the Democrats are.






LOL!


What I wonder is if this twit is aware that Amish don't use phones....


9 posted on 08/05/2004 1:25:17 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: dsmatuska

I think it depends on the type of Amish sect they belong to. I remember reading an article about cell phones and the Amish. From what I recall it was okay to use cell phones as long as they weren't kept in the house, but in an outbuilding and only for emergency use. It's my belief that the Amish have the most to lose should the ''the state is my mother, the state is my father'' democratics take over this country.


10 posted on 08/05/2004 1:25:42 PM PDT by LauraJean (sometimes I win sometimes I donate to the equine benevolent society)
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To: AmishDude

Just to stir things up....

( and 'cos I like you!)

*ping*


11 posted on 08/05/2004 1:26:53 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: wagglebee
"You could hold up a dead mouse with a sign 'I love Bush' and we'd still probably think twice about stomping that mouse underfoot."

I've been to Bird-In-Hand and the Stoltzfus name is everywhere.

I find the Rep effort among these people appropriate, but I have to wonder about it also. Reminds me of Hillary's work with the Jewish enclaves in upstate NY. Maybe that's just a sign of the times.

12 posted on 08/05/2004 1:28:01 PM PDT by GVnana (Tagline? I don't need no steenkin' tagline!)
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Amish don't have phones do they?

I’ve known plenty that have cell phones. Mainly youngsters though. Also have TV and stereo but use a car battery and DC->AC inverter (or whatever they’re called) to run them, assuming they’re still living at home.

Otherwise, if they’re living in an apartment or something they’ve got everything that everybody else has, usually.

Don’t know if they technically qualify as “Amish” though since those are the ones that haven’t yet officially decided to join up.

13 posted on 08/05/2004 1:28:49 PM PDT by Who dat?
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To: mastequilla
"If I know Republicans and their grass-roots operations, they'll spend most of their time trying to phone bank the Amish," said Kerry spokesman Mark Nevins.

Nice bit of religious intolerance from the Kerry spokesman.

Can the Amish use an electronic voting machine?

Yes. There is nothing inherently evil in modern appliances or electricity. The Amish live a lifestyle where they do not become dependent on such devices. They don't want to be tied to the physical luxuries of living here on Earth since they see this as just a temporary stay before the everlasting.

The big question that the Amish have is "where to draw the line" when it comes to accepting some device.

14 posted on 08/05/2004 1:32:38 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: no dems; Owl_Eagle; 4ConservativeJustices
no dems: Would you care to give a rough guess-timate at how many votes The Prez might get from the Amish in PA and in OH? I'd be interested to know.

Hey Owl, I can probably find out the Amish population figures from an almanac, but what about that most highly prized presidential demographic, the Amish NASCAR dad? You're from that neck of the woods, any guesstimate?

15 posted on 08/05/2004 1:34:07 PM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: tiamat
What I wonder is if this twit is aware that Amish don't use phones....

He does although he doesn't understand the reason (generally at least an elder of some sort would have a phone).

He meant his comment as a dig at the Bush Campaign team. He insulted the "backwards" Amish in the process.

East/West coast liberals will never understand Bush Country.

16 posted on 08/05/2004 1:35:35 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: tiamat

that's OK. we'll just email them instead!


17 posted on 08/05/2004 1:36:15 PM PDT by arielb
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To: tiamat

Yes, he is; the Kerry spokesman's implication is that Republicans are too stupid to know that and would thus try to call Amish people on the phone.


18 posted on 08/05/2004 1:36:51 PM PDT by jejones
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To: wagglebee

Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to believe that outside events have any influence on you is not the way to live. I hear that only about half of the Amish stay in the culture once they reach the age of majority but even with that, their numbers are still growing. If nothing else, become involved in the world just to influence it for your children that will leave the Amish community.


19 posted on 08/05/2004 1:39:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Born Conservative
Bird-In-Hand; isn't that close to Intercourse?

As a matter of fact . . . it is! A straight shot on 340.

20 posted on 08/05/2004 1:39:44 PM PDT by AmishDude
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