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Republicans, searching for votes, look to Amish for support
The State ^ | 8/5/04 | LARA JAKES JORDAN/AP

Posted on 08/05/2004 1:13:59 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: dsmatuska
They cannot have any wires attached to their houses. Sometimes Amish families will share a "shack" at the end of the lane which has electricity and a telephone.

A friend of mine who is Mennonite went to visit some of his Amish relatives. He was standing around with a bunch of the menfolk when he heard a ringing noise. All of the men started pulling cordless phones out of their coveralls.

21 posted on 08/05/2004 1:40:18 PM PDT by OSHA (Total Waste: Using your God given intelligence to reason Him out of existence.)
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To: wagglebee

Does the headline of this article imply that President Bush is so desparate he is trolling for votes? It seems to slant that way to me. Hope dishonest!


22 posted on 08/05/2004 1:40:20 PM PDT by whereasandsoforth (A house divided is a duplex)
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To: jejones

jejones wrote:


Yes, he is; the Kerry spokesman's implication is that Republicans are too stupid to know that and would thus try to call Amish people on the phone.





Well, silly me.

Guess I'm just not subtle enough to get Dem "humor"!


23 posted on 08/05/2004 1:41:01 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: wagglebee

Hello, I'm from the Bush 2004 campaign....

24 posted on 08/05/2004 1:41:27 PM PDT by Incorrigible (immanentizing the eschaton)
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To: wagglebee

If they are Amish, they won't vote. If they modernize, they will. I kind of like the old Amish, just for traditional reasons. My family were Amish up until the late 1800's.


25 posted on 08/05/2004 1:42:01 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: arielb

ROFLMAO!


26 posted on 08/05/2004 1:42:17 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: mastequilla

They can if they have someone do it for them under their direction.

They milk their cows (at least the ones I have known) with milking machines and such. And they must cool their milk in modern bulk tanks. They hire out any other modern things such as spraying their fields etc.

They should not be confused with Mennonites either. Both are extremely hard working and trustworthy folks..and are a real hard to deal with as far as trading and such.


27 posted on 08/05/2004 1:42:20 PM PDT by crz
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To: tiamat

Actually, . . . there are different grades of Amish. Most have made some sort of compromise, especially in Lancaster County. No TV or movies, but they'll have a car or a phone. But a large portion of the traditional ones will not have their own phone. They are not shy about using somebody else's, though. And the pastors will allow a lot of leeway for businesses that deal with the English so you will see a traditional Amishman with a fax machine in his workshop, but not in his home.


28 posted on 08/05/2004 1:45:14 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: tiamat
( and 'cos I like you!)

I feel like Sally Field. Not Gidget or the Flying Nun, but the serious actress.

29 posted on 08/05/2004 1:46:47 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: GVgirl

I am in the neighboring township to B-in-H and I know where Sam Stoltzfus' shop is! Of course I can't tell that it's him, there could be more than one.


30 posted on 08/05/2004 1:47:45 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: wagglebee

I guess I would be surprised if the Amish voted, and especially voted for Bush. Not that I know there stands on issues but if they are like the Mennonites they would be anti-war, pro-abortion(first term only) and communal which is why I am not a Mennonite anymore.


31 posted on 08/05/2004 1:51:42 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: wagglebee

I bet they won't use touch screen voting machines.


32 posted on 08/05/2004 1:52:12 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: AmishDude

My sister lives in Evart Mi. there are a lot of Amish in that area as well. There is an Amish owened factory there that makes vinyl windoframes.

The Amana colonists are a lot like the Amish, they were the first to make Amana appliances.


34 posted on 08/05/2004 1:52:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (John kerry is unbalanced)
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To: AmishDude

Very cool!

Thank you!



Ummmm... regarding your post below... Why Sally Field?


35 posted on 08/05/2004 1:54:06 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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I'd think if nothing else you would want access in case of a fire or other tragedy.


36 posted on 08/05/2004 1:55:10 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: mastequilla
"Can the Amish use an electronic voting machine?"

Could they even register to vote? They don't pay taxes and don't drive. I suppose they could, but are more or less by in-large nonexistent as individuals. The church owns everything.
37 posted on 08/05/2004 1:56:05 PM PDT by IamConservative (A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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The church owns everything.

I think you are confusing this with some other religious group. The Amish and Mennonites own their property individually. At least, all my maternal grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins did, even those that stayed within Old Order ordnungs (sp?).

38 posted on 08/05/2004 2:09:33 PM PDT by Elric@Melnibone (We don't need a nanny state; if my kids need a nanny I'll hire one myself.)
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To: AmishDude

Good reply and accurate.

I live in a rural area w/a lot of Amish. Originally, the area Amish were of the *shoeless* (traditional) variety. But the elders are not ignorant and not hidebound, from what I can tell & I see a slow evolution in their thinking. We have a medical massage practice and we have several families as clients. Originally one of the elders called us, on the phone, BTW, and wanted to know what *spirit massage* might be. Seems he needed new reading glasses and had misread our ad for *sport massage*. He apologized and laughed at himself. Had it been *spirit massage*, however, he would have been against it. We assured him, we would be, as well!

The phones are, as you say, in the outhouse or the shop or in a booth at the corner and they have voice mail and faxes for the businesses, too. I can see where cells would be popular, but in our valleys, they are still unreliable. The younger men can drive until they are married and virtually run taxi services. One gentleman told us the prohibitions are as much about keeping the family together as about any technophobia.

Some families are quite well-off and have flush toilets; they just fill the tank from a cistern and have a holding tank instead of a septic tank. The banks now require they keep the lines to any house they buy if they have a mortgage, as it devalues the place if they tear out the electricity and phone lines and is so expensive to replace if they sell to an English. They listen to the radio and read newspapers.

We find them well-read, well-informed and surprisingly well-traveled. The women are concerned with diet and exercise. They ae mostly a pleasant group.

One funny story: back in 1999, one of our Amish clients asked us if Y2K was going to affect them! We told them that they were going to be the best situated of anyone to deal with it, if it actually happened. I still find an aversion to computers, even for the businesses and don't know if that is changing. I wouldn't expect them to care for the internet.

The young people, of course, make their choice after a runaround period. We see them in a local restuarant with parkas over their traditional clothing or having changed into jeans and sweat shirt, with the blue or black dresses in a Walmart bag. They have opened an Amish walmart here and everyone who has shopped there is impressed with variety of goods that they use and the good prices. Many still go to the regular Walmart.

We had a recent scandal involving sexual abuse of young girls. Amish are just people and come in varieties, like everyone else.

We have Mennonite families, too and they are much more liberal: women drive and they wear flowered dresses. I don't know any of the Mennonites, though. They are referred to here as *Amish with tractors*, but it goes deeper than that from what I can tell.

Are you really Amish or is it just a screen name?


39 posted on 08/05/2004 2:15:03 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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We had a recent scandal involving sexual abuse of young girls.

I'm assuming you live somewhere near LaCrosse/Viroqua?

40 posted on 08/05/2004 2:34:45 PM PDT by Elric@Melnibone (We don't need a nanny state; if my kids need a nanny I'll hire one myself.)
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