Posted on 08/05/2004 12:59:35 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
After news
Wow! They're suddenly opposed to deceptive advertising.
Brinkley's name is mud.
Oh well, at least I was there to say the correct name of the site...
Well, it's a beautifully crafted piece of...er, work. Toon would be proud.
"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"
-- Steven Gardner
The above quote was from a press conference given at the National Press Club in Washington on May 4, 2004. You may view Steven’s comments at the following web site. Just scroll down to Steven’s picture and click on it.
http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=SwiftVetQuotes
Searching through that web site, you will find 250 men who served on Swift boats, including the entire chain of command above Lt. Kerry, agree with Steven Gardner that Kerry is not fit to be Commander-in-Chief. That compares to the 13 crew members who support his candidacy.
Regards,
TS
The letter is nothing but empty threats. No respponsible station would pay any attention to this blatant attempt to manipulate and intimidate them.
My information is that Swift Vets included with each copy of the ad they sent to TV stations 60 pages of supporting documentation, including sworn statements. Now the question becomes whether the Kerry campaign is able to exert de facto censorship over what airs on the establishment media.
More "meaning of is, is" crap. Stating they weren't on Kerry's boat. Of course not, they were his superior OFFICERS!
Hannity's going to discuss something NewsMax's Carl Limbacher just sent himk about comments John McCain made in the past about Kerry's anti-war activities.
I have Chapter 3 of the book. I received it from Human Events. It is very powerful--and specific. An excerpt:
None of Kerry’s Purple Hearts were for serious injuries. They were concededly minor scratches at best, resulting in no lost duty time. Each Purple Heart decoration is very controversial, with considerable evidence (and in two of the cases, with incontrovertible and conclusive evidence) that the minor injuries were caused by Kerry’s own hand and were not the result of hostile fire of any kind. They are a subject of ridicule within our unit. “I did get cut a few times, but I forgot to recommend myself for a Purple Heart. Sorry about that,” wrote John Howland, a boat commander with call sign “Gremlin.”
Moreover, many Swiftees have now come forth to question Kerry’s deception. “I was there the entire time Kerry was and witnessed two of his war ‘wounds.’ I was also present during the action [in which] he received his Bronze Star. I know what a fraud he is. How can I help?” wrote Van Odell, a gunner from Kerry’s unit in An Thoi.2 Commander John Kipp, USN (retired), of Coastal Division 13 also volunteered, “If there is anything I can do to unmask this charlatan, please let me know. He brings disgrace to all who served.”
Swiftees have remarked that, if Kerry faked even one of these awards, he owes the Navy 243 additional days in Vietnam before he runs for anything. In a unit where terribly wounded personnel like Shelton White (now an undersea film producer who records specials for National Geographic) chose to return to duty after three wounds on the same day, Kerry’s actions were disgraceful.
Indeed, many share the feelings of Admiral Roy Hoffmann, to whom all Swiftees reported: Kerry simply “bugged out” when the heat was on.
Regards,
TS
Good for him, that he is speaking out against Lurch, These guys are brave.
That DNC muzzle letter is really disgusting. These people are so low.
W is known for his ju-jitsu approach--as in The Art of War, he uses his enemies's "strengths" against them, such as Al Gore's conceitedness.
The dems have been hammering Bush incessantly, everyone knows it, even casual listeners/watchers. Ads, celebrities, Fahrenheit 9-11.
Now, the heat is going the other way, and those who don't feel particularly partisan will look at the dems whining and say "You've been doing it for months, tough it out."
The dems have outwitted themselves--they have made non-capaign expenditures and Moore and Franken bull fair game. Fine. Now REAL people with REAL facts are doing the same thing. The dems hypocrisy will not be lost on those on the sidelines.
With the marring of Kerry's ONE reason for asking for one's vote--his war experience--Kerry is in deep trouble. That Kerry whines on the road is not going to help him now.
After reading Chapter 3, it will be almost impossible for the MSM to ignore this book. There are details and facts. They compare Kerry's story and other reports such as those in the Boston Globe bio on Kerry to "What Really Happened." It is absolutely devastating. I enjoyed one comment, "What his fellow Swiftees concluded was that Kerry had a very high regard for his own well-being and very little nerve for facing serious combat."
I expect it's going to get quite a bit of attention.
They'll undoubtedly think of something.
I wonder if the Swift vets have grounds to sue either the Kerry campaign or any media outlets who capitulate to their astonishingly presumptuous demands.<br
[… missed the intro …]
Hannity: Well, thank you all for being with us, by the way, Van … look, you spent three of the four months with John Kerry; what did you see and what did you learn about John Kerry and why are you involved in this effort?
Van: Well, John was one of the officers that was prominent because of his presence, so to speak … but I’d like to say that what I learned of him is that he lied about what went on in Vietnam as far as the atrocities that he purported happened. Ah, he also filed false reports about actions we were in, specifically when he earned his Bronze Star and Purple Heart … I was there at that action and during that time, the things that he wrote about were just not true. And I did not find out until years later that he received a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart for that action which he shouldn’t have.
Hannity: uh huh he claims, van, in this … when he got back from Vietnam, he claimed and admitted to committing atrocities … he admitted … he said I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of others. Among the other things that he admits to, he violated the Geneva Convention and that he was involved in search and destroy missions and that he burned down villages. Did you ever see any of this when you were with him?
Van: Let me make this specific … we were all volunteers, we in the Navy were all volunteers to be in Vietnam, we are patriotic people, we came back and are now productive citizens and have been for years. We did not commit atrocities [spoken with emphasis]. In my twelve months there [my emphasis added], I never saw, heard, or read of any atrocities committed by Swift Boat sailors. Uh, and the second part of that, I’d like to say if atrocities occurred as purported by John Kerry, why didn’t he report them while he was a naval officer, that goes against the Geneva Convention …
Hannity: [speaking over Van], I understand that but I mean this is very a serious charge … but er can we just assume then that he committed these atrocities in the one other month that he wasn’t with you?
Adm. Hoffman: Let me break in here
Hannity: Yes sir, Admiral Hoffman
Adm. Hoffman: He accused of that before the Senate in 1971 and he never specified one atrocity at that time and it has been 35 years and to this day John Kerry has not specified …
[weather alert interrupts my recording]
[unk speaker]: ... but very little specifics that can ever be checked so when Naval Investigators went in to find out what had happened, there wasn’t much they could get their hands on. They did discover that a number of the VVAW [Vietnam Veterans Against the War] participants upon whom John Kerry based his testimony were not in the Navy or were not who they said they were and weren’t able to verify any atrocities. John Kerry’s own testimony, his own report, that he had committed atrocities was similarly vague.
Hannity: Yeah, but now there are people apparently in this new book – I haven’t gotten my copy yet, as I understand it there is a copy waiting for me when I get to Fox tonight, of this book Unfit to Serve – they have quotes from other soldiers that, where they were there when he [Kerry] ordered the killing of animals, and this one allegation, they witnessed him killing a teenaged, young Vietnamese boy that was in a loin cloth.
Van: That was where he earned his Silver Star. And there’s much controversy about that. And if he did uh, at one point in his writings he said he did the cooty [???] draw and shot him, where you can’t shoot wounded prisoners; if he did that, he’s guilty of war crimes.
Hannity: Well, he admits that he committed war crimes. I mean, we have his own words … I’ll play it for you when we get back. He admits that already …. We know that.
Adm. Hoffman: Well, if he [verbal emphasis] admitted it, he certainly never reported it. Furthermore, did he ever report one of his shipmates, that is his fellow ONC or enlisted men … I recall … I don’t recall, I got a report from one of the former officers that he did witness Kerry beaching his boat one day and, uh, destroying the …
[darn, weather alert goes off again!!! I suspect a conspiracy! Of all the times to have a break]
Adm. Hoffman: … has just come out recently.
Hannity: Gentlemen, let me put you on hold here because we gotta take a scheduled break here … but I, too many questions I have, I can’t let you go yet. Roy Hoffman is with us, Rear Admiral, US Navy retired. Uh, he was in charge of John Kerry and the Swift Boat Vet guys. Uh, Van Odell is with us; served with John Kerry in Vietnam, he was a Gunners Mate … Scott Swett is a part of the uh, Swift Vets … uh, what is the name of your web site again?
Scott: The name of the site is swiftvets.com. I’m actually the author of another site, wintersoldier.com that focuses
Hannity [talking over]: ok, on that book
Scott: … Kerry’s war crimes
Hannity: hang on one second, we’ll take a break, we’ll come back with all these guys … and of course we gotta ask the question why they decided to come out and talk about their time with John Kerry [segues into station break]
"Did he honestly believe they would not step up when he started trying to ride this pony to the White House? These are Vets, not some bunch of cowards or America haters. Why didn't someone see this coming. I am utterly baffled."
Kerry knew he could count on the press to not only look the other way but to actually ATTACK anyone who would dare point out the truth. We must understand that socialists are at war with reality. Truth and facts are things to be hated and attacked, not things to be desired. For them, reality is what they make it and has no existence outside their own wills.
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