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I apologize if this is a repost.

It seems to me that factcheck is saying that although funds were transferred to Tides from Teresa-controlled entities to Tides, that each dollar can be tagged and Teresa's money only went to "OK" causes. I find it dubious that the money can be tagged this accurately but suppose it is true.

Nevertheless, Teresa gave money to Tides and Tides funded leftie whack jobs. So Teresa is only one step removed from funding the whackos herself. Moreover if teresa gives money to Tides to fund some goodygoody cause that frees up Tides money to give to the loons.

I also object to the "guilt by association" tactics of the references to Scaife. Essentially they are saying that any allegations by Scaife-funded sources can be ignored. That is ad homimem argument and bad logic.

I'll leave it to someone else to deconstruct the ideas that Teresa is not really associated with Heinz now.

1 posted on 08/04/2004 11:47:22 AM PDT by hscott
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I would have bet anything this thread was about her often drunken appearance.


2 posted on 08/04/2004 11:49:50 AM PDT by Petronski (It's a man's life in the Cardiff Rooms, Libya)
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They use some good misdirection techniques by clintonian "parsing" of language.


3 posted on 08/04/2004 11:51:24 AM PDT by steplock ( www.spadata.com)
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Wait a minute! There was a whispering campaign to discredit Teresa Hienz Kerry, AND NOBODY INVITED ME?!?
4 posted on 08/04/2004 11:52:28 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (We live in a wonderful country where any child can grow up to be the next Ronald Reagan.)
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Snopes has gone out of its way to debunk the truth about the Left.

Has anyone checked out Factcjeck's ideology?


5 posted on 08/04/2004 11:53:01 AM PDT by Old Sarge
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Either way, this Lady is a Total Wack Job!


6 posted on 08/04/2004 11:53:29 AM PDT by PFMRightNow (Please provide help with DEMs and Social Security!)
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Release the tax returns. We'll decide.


7 posted on 08/04/2004 11:55:16 AM PDT by snooker
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Just looks like somebody is trying to run damage control to me. I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of the Kerry campaign.


8 posted on 08/04/2004 11:56:02 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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Money is fungible.

Charity Z has 1 million dollars in projects it wishes to fund.

Charity Z raises $500,000 so far, but keeps pounding the pavement for more money.

Mrs. Ketchup then gives $500,000 to Charity Z to fund only specific non-radical projects.

Thanks to Mrs. Ketchup, who kows about these radical projects, Charity Z now has fully funded its other radical projects!


12 posted on 08/04/2004 11:57:25 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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It is my understanding that the Tides Foundation and the associated Tides Center were set up for the express purpose of serving as an untraceable cut-out between donors who wish to remain anonymous and causes they wish to clandestinely support.

If this is the case, then the fact that no evidence exists to show that THK's money went to any radical cause means that the mechanism is working precisely as designed.
16 posted on 08/04/2004 12:00:18 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (We live in a wonderful country where any child can grow up to be the next Ronald Reagan.)
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What she does with her foundation money is not going to necessarily discredit her - many foundations support causes that are reviled by conservatives. The damage to Gigolo John's campaign will be from her personality and her big mouth, which is there for all to see. Nobody likes a snooty rich B***H, and especially working-class Democrats.


17 posted on 08/04/2004 12:00:58 PM PDT by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - a Socialist paradise for left-wing cockroaches)
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"Heinz Kerry's foundation money was directed to projects such as "Sustainable Pittsburgh," which promotes "smart growth" strategies."

This is enough to d#mn her my eyes. This is Agenda21 from those misbegotten spawn in the UN.

I'm a conservationist, but what she and her Foundation back are looney redistributionist schemes. She and others of her ilk are not likely to use the "Sustainable" manner of life they wish to inflict on Joe Sixpack given her and the combined Kerry/Ter-A-ZA profligate use of land, energy, and materials.

I don't mind planning or measures to insure good use of resources. What I dispise is hypocrisy. Ter-A-ZA and the other billionaires supporting the Democrats are convinced that only they know what's good for the little people, and only they will have what the little people do not.

Oligarchs all.


19 posted on 08/04/2004 12:03:05 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Listen here President Bush..You'd better win and win big because if you don't we're toast.)
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This wouldn't be happening if Terry Kerry released her complete tax returns for the past decade, as every Presidential candidate and his spouse have done in the past.

Terry Kerry is a victim of her own arrogance on this one. It will not change til she changes.

Don't hold your breath.


22 posted on 08/04/2004 12:08:13 PM PDT by Badeye ("You haven't posted anything to even remotely cause me to reconsider this position.")
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Your analysis is correct, basically this "research" is a misdirection. The bottom line is HK's donation to Tides enabled Tides to fund extreme anti-American wackos.

And, I still buy W ketchup.

23 posted on 08/04/2004 12:08:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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One shouldn't presume this lady is a whack job because of rumors-it's much easier to base it on just listening to her!


24 posted on 08/04/2004 12:09:29 PM PDT by Spok
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not so fast....what is clear is that Tides gives money to CAIR and it isnt clear what they do with it. please see Daniel Pipes's comments
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/394

other info perpetuating the same "urban myths"

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7835

How Ford Funds the Left
By William Bacon
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 15, 2003

One of the most disturbing realities in American society today is that the Ford Foundation, which is supposed to represent the love of America and of American values, finances the far Left. Ford is especially financially generous, for instance, to radical entities such as the anti-War, neo-Com movement. It also provides substantial grants to the Tides Foundation and its sister non-profits: The Tides Center, Thoreau Center for Sustainability, Groundspring.org, the Tsunami Fund, Tides Canada Foundation, and Highwater, Inc., a for-profit real estate firm that manages Tides’ properties including its home office in San Francisco’s Presidio.

The story of what Tides actually does with its wealth is one that is rarely told or heard of.

It is time to tell it.

Tides was founded in 1976 by Drummond Pike as "a convenient vehicle with squeaky clean books." While the former is undoubtedly true, the latter is, at best, questionable. The Foundation is a foundation in name, only. Legally, it is a public charity; allowed under IRS rules to solicit contributions and distribute them, which is exactly what the group does. It has distributed over $300 million dollars in grants to various groups for the full array of neo-Com activities: anti-globalism, anti-war, gun control, etc.

The Tides Center, although distinct from the Foundation by the letter of the law, itself takes in substantial amounts of money to "manage" various radical-left projects. Of course, each project managed by the Center is subject to a substantial fee -- usually 8 percent of all funds collected. Additionally, the Foundation, itself, may rake off another amount as a "Program Advisory fee" between 1 and 13 percent of the donation.
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37244
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/press_009_04


25 posted on 08/04/2004 12:17:02 PM PDT by APRPEH (supremacist thought is liberal politics)
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According to Herrera, Tides Foundation gifts to the National Lawyers Guild total "approximately $30,000 over the last ten years,"

So to find out what the Tides Foundation is up to, you have to ask the Communications Director, who gives you an approximate figure for "gifts" (probably Clintonian parsing, covering $1.4 million in "grants"). Sounds like the Tides Foundation is shadowy and secretive. Why doesn't Tides Foundation publish an itemized accounting of their grants?

Maybe Tides Foundation serves as a convenient money laundering scheme whereby rich looney leftists can donate to radical and subversive organizations, while posing as donators to harmless charities.

26 posted on 08/04/2004 12:17:02 PM PDT by Plutarch
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As a 527, no money that is donated by Teresa to Tides can be "tagged".


27 posted on 08/04/2004 12:21:36 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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Pssssssst.

Teresa Heinz-Kerry is a #$%@&&^%!)#, and furthermore, she @*&$%#^(*))@_!++!!.


31 posted on 08/04/2004 12:27:59 PM PDT by ZULU
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I would imagine this FactCheck has a considerable piece on Fahrenheit 911 then. Although, as most of us know it takes a heck of a lot more than one website or org to keep up with that trash.
33 posted on 08/04/2004 12:32:39 PM PDT by BallyBill (I question the timing of this tagline release!)
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Worth noting is that the publisher of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is conservative Republican donor William Mellon Scaife,

He’s a Republican donor! That proves he can’t be telling the truth! </ sarcasm >
H.J. Heinz Co: In light of some misleading speculation, the H. J. Heinz Company would like to make clear that neither Mrs. Teresa Heinz Kerry, Senator John Kerry nor any member of their family is involved in the management or board of the H. J. Heinz Company. . . . They have no involvement in the Heinz® Ketchup business or any of the company’s other brands or products.
The Heinz company also said it is "nonpartisan." Worth noting, however, is that the company's Political Action Committee has given nearly all its donations to Republican candidates, including $5,000 to the Bush campaign and nothing to Kerry's as of the most recent reports available. That's additional evidence, as if any was needed, that the company isn't "owned" by Kerry's wife.

Smart move on the part of H. J. Heinz.
36 posted on 08/04/2004 12:37:16 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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