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1 posted on 08/03/2004 8:56:31 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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Ping!


2 posted on 08/03/2004 8:57:43 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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Deceiving title.


3 posted on 08/03/2004 9:00:16 AM PDT by stuartcr
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One would think a North Korean Submarine would make speed from it's home port and never look back at it's six o'clock until it made safe harbor in America.


4 posted on 08/03/2004 9:04:27 AM PDT by blackdog (Hell is an endless hayfield needing to be raked, baled, and put up.)
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a range of 1,500 miles or more

1500 miles won't threaten America. It would have to be more. They have a longer range missile that can reach Fairbanks and Anchorage, although what good that would do them is a mystery.

5 posted on 08/03/2004 9:11:30 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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Outstanding. And so the threat continues to grow and expand, and the world remains completely oblivious.

One thing that's deceiving is that the article, or rather a quote from the article, claims that this is the first time North Korea has been able to directly threaten the continental US. The Tae-po Dong II nuclear-capable missile likely has the west coast of the continental US in range, and possibly much of the western US as well. That missile has been flight tested successfully. This does, however, represent a growing threat to the United States - one which no president, including the current one, has adequately addressed. President Clinton tried buying them off - which didn't work - and President Bush appears to be largely ignoring them; which is downright dangerous.
7 posted on 08/03/2004 9:16:26 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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Those diesels won't have much of a chance. The minute they start runing their engines to charge batteries, we'll pick up the low level sound. They have to do that many times during their transit to firing range. That of course doesn't take into account any coast watchers/satellites that monitor their comings and goings.


9 posted on 08/03/2004 9:20:48 AM PDT by ampat
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YEAH RIGHT do you the US Miltary is afraid of Little Kim I DOUBT IT on this news title

Actually way Kim Jong 11 been acting he is spoil little North Korea leader

He is just like a kid need get a***whoppin


21 posted on 08/03/2004 9:38:59 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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Reuters hack at it.



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040803/ts_nm/korea_north_missiles_dc_1

New N. Korean Missiles Said to Threaten U.S.
Mark Trevelyan

BERLIN (Reuters) - North Korea (news - web sites) is deploying new land- and sea-based ballistic missiles that can carry nuclear warheads and may have sufficient range to hit the United States, according to the authoritative Jane's Defense Weekly.



In an article due to appear Wednesday, Jane's said the two new systems appeared to be based on a decommissioned Soviet submarine-launched ballistic missile, the R-27.


It said communist North Korea had acquired the know-how during the 1990s from Russian missile specialists and by buying 12 former Soviet submarines which had been sold for scrap metal but retained key elements of their missile launch systems.


Jane's, which did not specify its sources, said the sea-based missile was potentially the more threatening of the two new weapons systems.


"It would fundamentally alter the missile threat posed by the DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) and could finally provide its leadership with something that it has long sought to obtain -- the ability to directly threaten the continental U.S.," the weekly said.


Apart from targeting the United States, South Korea (news - web sites) or Japan, cash-strapped North Korea might seek to sell the technology to countries that have bought its missiles in the past, with Iran a prime candidate, the article added.


Ian Kemp, news editor of Jane's Defense Weekly, said North Korea would only spend the money and effort on developing such missiles if it intended to fit them with nuclear warheads.


"It's pretty certain the North Koreans would not be developing these unless they were intended for weapons of mass destruction warheads, and the nuclear warhead is far and away the most potent of those," he told Reuters.


NUCLEAR POTENTIAL UNCLEAR


North Korea pulled out of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in January 2003 and is locked in long-running crisis talks with the United States, China, Russia, Japan and South Korea over terms for scrapping its atomic weapons program.


The extent of that program remains unclear, although North Korea's deputy foreign minister was quoted as telling a senior U.S. official last year that Pyongyang possessed nuclear weapons.


Jane's said the new land-based system had an estimated range of 2,500 to 4,000 km (1,560 to 2,500 miles), and the sea-based system, launchable from a submarine or a ship, had a range of at least 2,500 km.


"If you can get a missile aboard a warship, in particular aboard a submarine...you can move your submarine to strike at targets such as Hawaii or the United States, just as examples. Whereas it would be much more difficult to actually develop a ground-launched missile to achieve that sort of a range," Kemp said.


Until now only the United States, Russia, Britain, France and China have been known to possess submarine-launched nuclear weapons, although there has been speculation that Israel has a similar capability.


Jane's said North Korea appeared to have acquired the R-27 technology from Russian missile experts based in the Urals city of Chelyabinsk. It said one such group was detained in 1992 when about to fly to North Korea, but others visited later.


It said Pyongyang was also helped by the purchase, through a Japanese trading company, of 12 decommissioned Russian Foxtrot-class and Golf II-class submarines which were sold for scrap in 1993.


It said the missiles and electronic firing systems had been removed, but the vessels retained their launch tubes and stabilization sub-systems.


31 posted on 08/03/2004 10:45:39 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "The terrorists will be defeated, there can be no other option" - Colin Powell)
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"North Korea is also believed to have had help from Russian missile manufacturer Makeyev."

And help from Bill Clinton with his glastnost policy.


67 posted on 08/03/2004 6:57:27 PM PDT by RepublicanHippy
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