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To: stockpirate

Times have changed. Now anyone with a Masters in computer sciences or mechanical engineering, a BA in chemistry, A good position in manufacturing, warehousing, etc are all losing their jobs. This is not a matter of simple propaganda. These stories are popping up in every paper in america - not just the liberal rags, conservative papers are writing their share of them as well. What the young lady on the Bush campaign said today is nothing compared to what free traders have said even on this thread and the knee jerk reaction was - fire her because she's damaged the President's campaign image. Damaged it by showing the public the face and reality of how free traders talk about and treat americans. And just as I have predicted long ago.

My home town has seen so many Delphi Automotive plant closings in the last 8-10 years it isn't funny. We used to be called little detroit. Between the dozen or so Delco Electronics facilities, Chrysler, the steel and plate glass plants, etc.. Most of them are closed now - not outmoded or un-needed, just shipped to Mexico and elsewhere out of country. We have a few remaining delphi facilities here though another was closed in the last month and shipped to mexico machine by machine, bolt by bolt. The only thing left marking what was at the site is an empty building and a trespass at your own risk sign.

That is where Kokomo Indiana is heading. City of Firsts, Home of Elwood Haynes, is heading for Ghost town status. This isn't an isolated incident. This is the story of countless towns all over the US. The price of globalization and greed. Fire the girl on the campaign and fire yourselves. This party doesn't need this hanging around it's neck and it's time for you guys to stop raping America and trying to hide from the public. That girl has done more to help straighten this party out with one honest statement than free traders can to ruin it with their propaganda. I don't even know what she looks like right now and I'd like to kiss her because it's woken some people up here and silenced some of the free traders.


51 posted on 08/02/2004 7:04:27 PM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Havoc
Outsourcing is killing us.
59 posted on 08/02/2004 7:35:35 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("If you want a little peace, sometimes you gotta fight" - Sammy Hagar)
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To: Havoc

Well Bush is not personally wrapping up equipment and shipping it to Mexico. The owners of those factories are. Now ask yourself why? Because it is too expensive to build things here. It's much cheaper in Mexico. Why? Environmental regulations play a part, but labor costs is the biggest component. Would you support elimination of minimum wages laws and getting unions out of the factories to restore American competitivness? Just curious? How about relaxing environmental regulations? I'm not advocating these things, just asking questions.


138 posted on 08/03/2004 9:24:55 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Havoc
Now anyone with a Masters in computer sciences or mechanical engineering, a BA in chemistry, A good position in manufacturing, warehousing, etc are all losing their jobs.

And yet the chemistry/physics trade magazines I layout are full of articles decrying the lack of Americans going into these fields. They run contests to pay students' way through school. The hard science programs in our universities are filled with foreigners because not enough American students are interested. Many of the classes are taught by foreigners because there are not enough qualified U.S. professors.

The present economic situation is hardly any different from any other time in our history -- and indeed better than many times. Some jobs are being phased out, but more are being created in other industries. The trick is to go where the jobs are.
140 posted on 08/03/2004 10:43:32 AM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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