Vietnam Vets Opinions of Kerry

e-mail | 2004 Aug 2

[gilliam]

Any of you on Vet email lists? What have they been discussing? How did Kerry's speech come over? CBS is reporting a gain amongst Vets for Kerry, is that gain reflected in the lists? Why or why not?

[Casloy]

This is really good stuff!!! Thanks for posting it.

[VisualizeSmallerGovernment]

Kerry was in the Senate? Who knew?

[Conspiracy Guy]

CBS is reporting a gain amongst Vets for Kerry, is that gain reflected in the lists?

CBS? The only vets supporting Kerry were on stage with him at the CONvention.



Kerry 2004

I want to be the President,
Though all know I can’t lead.
I really want the power though,
It’s really what I need.

I’ll lie and cheat and fabricate,
I’ll flip and flop for sure.
The left’s so dumb they’ll vote for me,
For stupid, there’s no cure.

George Bush lied, I’ll chant and sing,
Though I know it’s not true.
I love America I’ll say,
Another lie for you.

I’ll back the UN’s global push,
No sovereignty for us.
The world rides free at our expense,
We’ll even buy the bus.

Let terror rain down on this land,
We really are to blame.
Oh yes, I fought in Viet Nam,
Four months, then home I came.

Three Purple Hearts for paper cuts,
Like some rite of passage.
You bet my name’s John Kerry,
And I approve this message.

Conspiracy Guy 7/30/2004

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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NEVER FORGET


JOHN KERRY came back from Vietnam to call us American Soldiers fighting for the Freedom of Others there...


...Rapists and Terrorists

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320



...whereas...



MEL GIBSON came back from filming our real Vietnam War Story "WE WERE SOLDIERS" deeply inspired to finally make his ultimate Story of Love and Sacrifice titled...


.."The PASSION of the Christ"

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=39081



I wonder WHO got the the Story right..?




Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer / Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

'MODERN DAY HEROES'-
Contributing Author
http://www.ModernDayHeroes.com/aloha


NEVER FORGET

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[Stag]

You know, I have no doubts that the contents of this post are true and are very damning of Lurch. But this is preaching to the converted.

Why is no one giving these vets a voice anywhere?

I know the book is coming out and there is a rally going on in D.C. in September, but this should be on every news channel every day. But instead, the only way you find out about this is by going to conservative web sites or blogs. It is the 'average joe' who should be hearing this, the undecided voter, the moderate dems...but they are not. It is very frustrating to me.

Everyone is afraid to call Kerry on the carpet for his comments either in print or in front of the committee when he got back from his Viet Nam dalliance, why?

This guy is a lazy phoney and I fear he may get elected if his past doesn't get shown the light of day.

Why?

Because, unlike most people, I have no faith in the average person doing any more research into who they vote for other than snappy slogans or witty sound bites or spin put out by the mainstream media (who by the way, cannot wait to crown this guy champion of the 2004 election season).

Aaargh, ok that is my rant for the day. I am just getting frustrated.

By the way, I do get some satisfaction in FReeping my local bookstore, by covering up left leaning political books with the appropriate conservative books. Yes it is petty, but it makes me feel good.

[CedarDave]

The original quotes are found here:

http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=SwiftVetQuotes

Drudge said more than once last night that the forthcoming book ("Unfit for Command") will be devastating to Kerry's campaign (though I don't suspect that the MSM will give it the exposure that they gave Clark, Wilson, etc.) I suspect it will include these quotes plus many more.

[Captain Rhino]

If John F*****g Kerry thinks his "4 months and I'm outa here" Vietnam service is going to get him any traction among those of us that did the full 12 months and counted ourselves luck to go home (not early and with a boxful of questionably earned medals but rather with no extra holes in our bodies and no thanks from our country when we got back), he's got another think coming. And if he thinks we are somehow going to forget the slimy people he associated himself with after he returned and slanderous allegations he made about the armed forces, he's got about a hundred thinks coming.

Just in case there are any questions out there, here's my Vietnam and military service bona fides: 3rd Bn, 26th Marines, I Corps, RVN (1968-1969); USMC 1967 to 1990.

[Oldsailor]

Besides the danger that this phoney will be believed and possibly elected (though I don't think he will get elected) his phoney purple hearts and silver and bronze stars denigrate the guys who really earned decorations.

[Captain Rhino]

Exactly.

[biss5577]

We are grateful for your service to our country. God bless you. I am forwarding this thread to everyone I know! Thanks so much.

[gilliam]

you guys may have to mobilize to prevent this from happening.

[Cathy]

Go to www.kerrylied.com

Vietnam Vets for the Truth is holding a "Kerry Lied, while Good Men Died" Rally, Sunday, September 12, 2-4 pm in Washington DC. This is a non-partisan event. They are asking those that support the truth about the Vietnam war to attend, but mostly it is a gathering of Vietnam Vets from acros the country.

[AmericanChef]

Cash-and-Kerry: protecting Americans from inanimate rocks everywhere.

What a hero.

Isn't it a crime to lie under oath, or was he just under some of those rocks at that point?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Distribute this post to everybody who wonders
about President Bush
and his service during Vietnam.

George W Bush's military record vs John Kerry's military record

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http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml

...Nevertheless, we have established that the F-102 was serving in combat in Vietnam at the time Bush
enlisted to become an F-102 pilot. In fact, pilots from the 147th FIG of the Texas ANG were
routinely rotated to Vietnam for combat duty under a program called "Palace Alert" from 1968 to 1970.
Palace Alert was an Air Force program that sent qualified F-102 pilots from the ANG to bases in Europe
or southeast Asia for periods of three to six months for frontline duty.
Fred Bradley, a friend of Bush's who was also serving in the Texas ANG, reported that he and Bush
inquired about participating in the Palace Alert program. However, the two were told by a superior,
MAJ Maurice Udell, that they were not yet qualified since they were still in training
and did not have the 500 hours of flight experience required. Furthermore, ANG veteran
COL William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS at the time,
told the Washington Times that Palace Alert was winding down and not accepting new applicants....
...
The point of this discussion is that the military record of George W. Bush deserves a fair treatment.
Bush has been criticized for avoiding service in Vietnam, though the evidence proves that
the Texas Air National Guard and its F-102 pilots where serving in Vietnam while Bush was in training.
Bush has been criticized for using his family influence to obtain his assignment,
but the evidence shows that he successfully completed every aspect of the more than
two years of training required of him.
Bush has been criticized for pursuing a safe and plush position as a fighter pilot,
but the evidence indicates the F-102 was a demanding aircraft whose pilots regularly risked their lives.
Bush has also been criticized for deserting the Guard before his enlistment was complete,
but the evidence shows he was honorably discharged eight months early because his position
was being phased out...
...
While it is not our goal to compare and contrast the records of the candidates on this subject,
the fact that the questioner cites John Kerry's military service makes us feel it necessary to comment.
It is interesting to note that there are just as many, if not more,
irregularities in Kerry's military record as there are in Bush's.
Kerry can certainly be praised for some of the actions he performed while in the line of duty,
but his record does contain some troubling portions as well.
Not the least of these is his involvement in the controversial group
Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while he was still an active-duty member of the US Navy.
Kerry's testimony before Congress as VVAW spokesman in 1971,
during which he accused soldiers serving in Vietnam of being war criminals,
was found to be based on largely falsifed information as documented by Wikipedia.
The Boston Globe has also reported on troubling accusations regarding the circumstances
surrounding Kerry's medals, particularly his first two purple hearts awarded for
minor injuries that may even have been self-inflicted.

John Kerry's record

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

DD 214 shows 17 Feb 72 terminal date of Reserve Obligation for John Kerry

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

Kerry's anti war activities were doing this period!

What is Senator John Kerry's relationship to VVAW?

http://www.vvaw.org/faq/#4

Since Vietnam Veterans Against the War's inception in 1967, tens of thousands of vets, GIs and supporters have participated in and supported the actions of VVAW. One of those members in the early 1970s was John Kerry. Kerry was appointed to the VVAW Executive Committee to assist in preparing Dewey Canyon III, VVAW's limited incursion into the land of Congress in 1971 (Nicosia, 98-99). Kerry made his greatest contribution to the anti-war movement and to VVAW in his speech to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on April 23, 1971 (Brinkley, 371-373: Hunt, 109-110; Nicosia, 136-138; Wells, 495).

Content of the speech is found at:

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html.

By 1972, John Kerry had moved on from VVAW (Brinkley, 406: Hunt, 127-128; Nicosia, 211).

John Kerry's service in Vietnam lasted 4 months and 12 days, beginning in November 1968 when he reported to Cam Rahn Bay for a month of training. His abbreviated combat tour ended shortly after he requested a transfer out of Vietnam on March 17, 1969, citing Navy instruction 1300.39 permitting personnel with three Purple Hearts to request reassignment. So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or killed.



The instruction, titled 1300.39, says that a Naval officer who requires hospitalization on two separate occasions, or who receives three wounds "regardless of the nature of the wounds," can ask a superior officer to request a reassignment. The instruction makes clear the reassignment is not automatic.

It says that the reassignment "will be determined after consideration of his physical classification for duty and on an individual basis." Because Kerry's wounds were not considered serious, his reassignment appears to have been made on an individual basis. Moreover, the instruction makes clear that Kerry could have asked that any reassignment be waived.

The bottom line is that Kerry could have remained but he chose to seek an early transfer. He met with Horne, who agreed to forward the request, which Horne said probably ensured final approval. The Navy could not say how many other officers or sailors got a similar early release from combat, but it was unusual for anyone to have three Purple Hearts.

http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=KerryinVietnam

"So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor
ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty,
other than those who were seriously wounded or killed."

[lilypad]

Ya think 60 minutes will discuss the book?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

I'm John Kerry and I approve this ad.

John Kerry and War Crimes in Vietnam
(He was in command of a Swift Boat
and ordered his men to do these things.)
Listen to this 1971 audio clip

I'm John Kerry and I approve
the desecration of the American Flag.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Thank You for your service to our country.

Thank You for your recent deployment to Iraq.

[Soaring Feather]

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