FReeper Canteen ~ Favorite Cult Movies ~ August 2 2004

Breaking news off FOX News alert report that Dubya has suggest we need intellgence Tsar to put all intellgence company CIA FBI and other under one umbrella at this hour in WH briefing in Rose Garden

Also AFP wire reporting witnesses are claim that US troops are surroudning well known hideout of that extreme Islamic leader Al Zad who been messing with our US troops

Good morning, ms feather. Recovered from all that boogieing?

Not so much an intel Tsar is needed, just someone or group that has the ability to see over the lunatic 'wall of compartmentalisation' that Gorelick et al erected.

Well, we did have a little sun. Kinda hot & humid. But luckily we had a breeze to help. Saturday was nice. Took my granddaughter to one of her aunt's house so she could look at the horses. She is going through the "horse craze" faze.

She got to visit them all (there were two fairly new fouls) and was allowed to ride for a little while. She was thrilled cause she had only ridden a small pony at the fair.

But yesterday we took her to the airport to go home and had to spend a little extra time waiting due to the storm.

What did you do?

>>>>>we need intellgence Tsar<<<<<<<<<<

Afternoon Seven. Am I behind the curve here? I thought the Creation of the Homeland Security was the solution!

Morning Ma,
thought you would like to know I saw this on the board. :-)
Thanks. LOL

Oops! d:o) I'm glad you were awake. LOL!

>we need intellgence Tsar<

"Pulp Fiction"

I am behind curves here myself.
Taking a bit to catch up.

Great Topic! Here are my TOP Five

1.The Big Lebowski (Jeff Bridges, Steve Buscemi, John Goodman)
2.Ghost World (Steve Buscemi, Scarlett Johanssen, Thora Birch)
3.Best in Show (Christopher Guest & Crew)
4.Groundhog Day (Bill Murray)
5.High Fidelity (John Cuzak, Catherine Zeta Jones, Jack Black)

Hi, Wonderama!

Welcome to the Canteen!

Wanna buy a burka?

Good afternoon People,

I recieved an new email from my son Robert.

I thought I would share an email from my son,
and daughter inlaw who was able to send
an article from the Boston Globe about
the Marines in Ramdi Iraq.

. they both are doing ok
and can't wait to return home here,
no later than Oct sometime.

----- Original Message -----

From: Harrill Harrill
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:08 AM
To: MELISSA SCOTT
Subject: Fw: Rob is in this article..
US forces, hit by raids, fault their Iraqi allies
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:50 AM
Subject: Fw: David in this article - US forces, hit by raids,
fault their Iraqi allies
US forces, hit by raids, fault their Iraqi allies
By Anne Barnard,
Boston Globe Staff | August 1, 2004

RAMADI, Iraq --
The Humvees were speeding through the dark city
when a heart-stopping boom brought
the convoy lurching to a halt. Red sparks cartwheeled
into the sky. The Marines ran through a dust cloud
and found four comrades bleeding
from a roadside bomb.

The bomb, buried outside an Iraqi National Guard
headquarters,
marked the third time in 10 days that US troops
in the capital of the country's most violent province
had been attacked
under the noses of Iraqi security forces,
whose cooperation is crucial to their success.

Three days before, on July 21,
scores of guerrillas fired rifles and rocket-propelled
grenades from rooftops near National Guard buildings,
sparking a street battle that drew in
more than a battalion of US forces,
and that killed 25 insurgents.

Marines in Ramadi
are fighting the toughest urban warfare
in Iraq and are taking on perhaps
the most delicate diplomacy, working with Iraqi
counterparts whom they don't always trust,
while trying to lower their profile in a city that
wants them out.

Their experiences show the challenges
that US troops face when they stay closely
engaged in a hub of resistance, a scenario
that may arise elsewhere as fighting heats up in cities
like Samarra and Baqubah.

The strategy in Ramadi,
90 miles west of Baghdad, has kept
insurgents from gaining the free hand
they wield in nearby Fallujah,
where Marines headed off a bloody showdown
in April by handing security duties
to a group of former army officers
and resistance fighters.
It has also kept millions of US reconstruction dollars
pouring into Ramadi,
while the resistance in Fallujah has led
to a cutoff in US aid.

But staying in Ramadi comes at a high price.
The Marines stationed in three small bases
downtown have borne the highest concentration
of US casualties since early April.
The Second Battalion, Fourth Marine Regiment,
has seen 31 Marines killed,
and more than 200 wounded.
That casualty rate amounts to more than 20 percent.

Every day, they consider tricky questions.
Will reducing their footprint build good will?
Or will it embolden insurgents?
Is their presence preventing attacks?
Or is it causing them?

''Our presence here may be insulting,
our presence may cause violence,
but a lack of our presence could
create chaos," said Major Dave Harrill, 34,
operations officer for the Second Battalion.
''What is the right moment to pull back?
If we get that right, we can have success
in every city in Iraq."

A month after Iraq regained formal sovereignty,
the military is building facilities outside the city center
where the battalion can move on short notice,
when Iraqis are ready to take charge,
senior Marine officers said.

The military has halted daytime supply
convoys that blocked traffic and offended residents,
and has cut back most patrols to let Iraqi forces
take the lead.
But four months after taking over from
US Army troops, Marines in central Ramadi
look less like advisers about to hand off control
to a nascent government than combatants
in an urban battleground.

After a burst of fighting in April that killed
a dozen Marines and scores of insurgents,
Marines no longer flood neighborhoods
to hear concerns and hand out information
about Iraq's new government.
They protect the main road through town,
a major US supply route, watching from
observation posts to stop insurgents from planting
roadside bombs.

It takes less than 10 minutes to drive
from any base to the government center.
But the Marines don't travel, even a few hundred yards
to an observation post,
with fewer than four heavily armed Humvees --
preferably encased in armor and blast-proof glass.

Marines on the front lines haven't
lost the stomach for the fight; in battle,
they say, they feel most sure of their mission.
But nearly unanimously, they say they can
neither interact with Iraqis the way they had expected
when they arrived with orders to win ''hearts and minds,"
nor can they deal a knockout blow to guerrillas.
''Every guy you kill, there's always going
to be someone else," said Corporal Glen Handy,
26, of Las Vegas.

Pulling back to observation posts
can be ''frustrating for the Marines" said Captain
Christopher Bronzi, 31, of Poughquag, N.Y.,
commander of the Second Battalion's Golf Company.
''You wonder what they are doing out there,"
he said, referring to insurgents.
''We'd be doing more good if we weren't here.
We can send soccer balls from America,"
said Corporal Nat Canaga, 18, from Colorado,
who was wounded by a grenade while on foot patrol.
The Marines' mission changed on April 6,
when insurgents launched coordinated
attacks on patrols across the city,
sparking a two-day battle.
Marines launched aggressive raids that killed 80
insurgents, netted 90 prisoners,
and tamped down attacks for a time.

As the sovereignty handoff approached,
guerrillas struck again.

Marines killed 25 fighters in a seven-hour
battle June 14.
Marines win the large fights,
but face some of the country's
deadliest attacks. Last month,
a car bomb killed four Marines;
and four more died when insurgents
ambushed their observation post.

They can't leave until Ramadi's officials -- especially the security forces --
stand on their own.

At the headquarters of the First Marine Division
and the Army's First Brigade,
across the river Euphrates from downtown,
senior officers say they are making slow and
steady progress.
They point to the provincial government,
which still needs US protection --
the governor's three sons were kidnapped
at gunpoint on Wednesday -- but increasingly
sets the reconstruction agenda.
They say that even baby steps from
Iraqi security forces must be hailed.

Checking on troops patrolling a road on
Ramadi's outskirts, Army Lieutenant Colonel
Mike Cabrey said Iraqi forces have begun
patrolling reliably there.
But at the hardscrabble downtown bases,
fighters have less confidence
in Iraqi forces.

''They're cowards,"
said the Marine battalion commander,
Lieutenant Colonel Paul Kennedy,
a Boston University graduate from
Bloomfield, Conn.

He voiced hope that Ramadi's tough new
National Guard chief, Qadhim Faris,
would shape them up. Faris,
a former officer in Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard,
was detained last year for
allegedly plotting to kill a US Army commander.

Kennedy believes the charges,
but reasons: ''If someone came to the US and
threw me out of the Marine Corps . . .
I know some things about fighting,
and I'd probably ply my trade."

Kennedy said he dressed down Faris
and the police chief after the July 21 attack,
when guerrillas ambushed Marines near Iraqi
security buildings with a roadside bomb, gunfire, and two car bombs
''The bombs were placed literally
under their nose . . . and they didn't do
anything," said Kennedy,
who is 41 years old.

He recalled telling the Iraqis: ''Listen, you guys have failed. This is supposed to be your
time in the spotlight." The following day,
the National Guard and police swept the city.
An expected insurgent attack did not happen.
It was the biggest leap forward in months, Kennedy said.

But at Combat Outpost,
a base that is hit by mortars almost daily,
Bronzi's Marines voiced skepticism.
The whole neighborhood knew
of the impending attack,
they said; guerrillas had blocked side streets to
keep civilians away.
Iraqi forces were either complicit,
afraid to tip off Marines, or clueless,
said First Lieutenant Robert Scott, 27,
the executive officer.

''They should know," he said at the mess hall,
a former warehouse. ''There's just no excuse."

Hamid Abid, an Iraqi National Guard member training at another US base, said Iraqi troops want to protect Ramadi but are in ''a very bad situation."
''When we go home, people say, 'You are an
agent for the coalition forces,' " Abid said.

''When they leave and we take care of everything, it will be good."
That night, after escorting fresh troops,
the Marine convoy ran over the bomb. ''What have you got up there?"
First Lieutenant Scott shouted.
He ran off. ''We have casualties," his driver said
into the radio.
''Number unknown at this time."
A Humvee had been hit at a deserted
checkpoint outside the Iraqi National Guard headquarters,
where concrete barriers force vehicles
into a slow slalom.
Marines later said they had seen
people moving inside the building -- Guardsmen, they believed.

Back at the base, the wounded Marines
screamed in pain.
Their comrades wiped their blood from the
garage floor, uttering expletives at Iraqis in
general and at the National Guard in particular.

The attackers had tunneled under the pavement to place the bomb.

The operation would have taken enough time for the National
l Guard to have noticed, the Marines said.
''Did they come outside after the explosion?"
an officer asked over the radio.
Bronzi shook his head. ''They remained inside, sir," Scott said evenly.
Later, he said,
''I'm debating whether to arrest them all."
That night, Bronzi said the Guard is
''in no way shape or form" prepared to take over
''They're supposed to be observing an area,
and they could be sleeping. Or they could just be cowards," he said.
It was time for Kennedy to have
another talk with Faris. Boston.com / News / Boston Globe Archives http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=104372D850608D6C&p_docnum=1 *********************************************************** ****here is the The email from Robert******

hey mom hows it goin,

well i wonder if you read that article
in the boston globe, i think melissa
sent it to you guys, it was pretty acurate,
it obviuosly left out a decent amount, and all,

but at least she didnt change anything
and put something stupid on it,

sorry i didnt call this weekend, the battery died on the phone, it really will be over soon, i can feel it, im pretty excited about coming home
and it should be not too much longer,
well ill talk to you later
thngs are fine
i dont have any names for dogs right now,
sorry they didnt all make it,

thanks for the care package, the socks and
boxers are comfortable
love
rob

Semper Fi
Marine Nanna

"WYLD STALLIONS RULE!"

Excellent! Party on, Thanos!

Welcome to the Canteen!

intellgence Tsar.........well, I guess he'd be as good as any. Just might have to "dumb down" much of the gathered Chatter, though. Besides, Tom, if you win the election, you can certainly assign him the task. Remember?

Boy, Rob sure is optimistic even with the kind of news preceding him email!

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Thanks for the Welcome!