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1 posted on 08/01/2004 10:13:01 AM PDT by quidnunc
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"I will bring back this nation's time-honored tradition: The United States of America never goes to war because we want to; we only go to war because we have to. That is the standard of our nation."

How many buildings full of people on our own territory have to be destroyed before "we have to". I'd like to hear Kerry's repsonse.
2 posted on 08/01/2004 10:15:20 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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I am sure it also apeals to enemies of this country.


5 posted on 08/01/2004 10:23:46 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.)
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I think folks are taking Gigilo JOhn far too seriously and giving his words ffar more weight than they deserve.

John is a pampered elitist who has never worked an honest day in his life. This is just a game to him. He focuses on what may have been a faked accompliment of more than 30 years ago. He has done nothing of consequence since, NOTHING!

He has lounged and played through 24 years relaxing in the Senate doing what Fat Teddy and his staff told him to do. He has lots of sports hobbies and enjoys the elitist life style that the money of his wife's first husband allows.

There is no substance to Kerry and if our left wing, ultra-liberal media came close to doing it's job, theis will become very, very obvious.

6 posted on 08/01/2004 10:27:18 AM PDT by Tacis
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I have a series of simple questions for any thinking person who is still a democrat or inclined to support Kerry for any other reason.

1. What is the position of the entire international left on the war in Iraq? Are they against it or not? Have we all been hallucinating for the last year and a half, or is the entire international left opposed to the war in Iraq?

2. What is the position of all of the delegates the dems sent to their convention, of 9 out of 10 reporters, of all of the activists working for all of the candidates from president in the democratic party, of all of the elected dem officials? Have they been embracing Moore and applauding the press's crusade against the war, or have we all just imagined it?

3. If the war is stupid and was a mistake and was based on a lie and all the rest of it - as all of the above have told us consistently for a year and a half - then why on this earth won't John Kerry come out against the war in Iraq and in favor of ending it and withdrawing our troops? Is there a sentient creature within a light year of earth who thinks those loudly singing in chorus that is was all a lie and a mistake and a disaster, want to continue what they clearly believe is a lying disasterous mistake, and would actually do so at extensive additional cost in blood, treasure, and popularity?

4. If, as anyone with half a brain can tell from all of the above, Kerry and company do oppose the war in Iraq but do not think they can afford to say so publically in the course of their campaign, why is that? What are they supposed to be thinking? Does anyone doubt they think the war is popular despite being wrong? Does anyone doubt they therefore think their own opinion in the matter is more correct that that of the American people? Does anyone doubt that they think the American people must be lied to and told they would continue to support our efforts in Iraq, when they have no intention whatever of actually doing so?

5. If all of the above is the case, then who is it again who believes the American people have to be misled in order to be led in the correct direction, toward the correct policy? Haven't the Dems shouted themselves hoarse at Bush and company for supposedly doing exactly that? Aren't they transparently doing so themselves? And I mean transparently, so obviously so that nobody could possibly be fooled by it. The dems believe in lying to the misguided American people to bring about peace. What thinking leftist dares to deny it?

Since they have nothing else to accuse Bush of, it comes down simply to this. The Dems are pacifists who believe anything is justified to prevent the US from engaging in this war. The Republicans are not, and believe the war is both just and expedient. That is the sole real issue between the parties. The Dems do not want the American people to decide the issue on that basis because they fear they will lose if they do so. But that is the issue before us, and the real choice the parties offer. The rest is smoke.

Which of the two courses the American people prefer is obviously up to all of us. But the Dems have already shown which way they think we will decide that question - and it isn't in their favor. That is why they are hiding their actual positions - comically, since nobody with half a brain can possibly doubt where they actually stand.

9 posted on 08/01/2004 10:48:43 AM PDT by JasonC
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"The Kerry Doctrine (Pacifism and isolationism appeals to peaceniks and paleocons)"...and all Socialist countries...

The Kerry Doctrine is nothing more that the same 'ol, same 'ol rhetoric tied up in new ribbons. I am still smarting at what the pundits are calling "Theater" this Kerry doctrine...I thought real issues and real problems have real solutions and are presented honestly at these conventions.

The media, press and talking heads want Americans to believe that Truth doesn't count but Theater does! That may be because all the things that Kerry says he will do HAVE BEEN DONE BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION...the democrats are just play acting, anything they say or promise is just another pile of Horse-pucky! The press and media are not going to tell the truth about John Kerry's Viet Nam record or his voting record.

Start posting that voting record where ever appropriate.

10 posted on 08/01/2004 10:55:20 AM PDT by yoe (Bill Clinton lied again to the Nation – his Convention speech was 90% bogus.)
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Within hours of the 9/11/01 attacks the best and brightest Bee brains of Sacramento's "news"paper were out with "it was our fault, in part."

Three thousand, three million, thirty million -- it will always be our fault; we don't try to "understand" the rest of the world.

These are the ilk that support John Kerry. John Kerry has ambitions, period. He gambled decades ago that there were more people who blame their own country than not. IMO his politics has nothing to do with his experience in Vietnam despite Mr. Kagan's whirling-dervish-class spinning.

11 posted on 08/01/2004 12:57:49 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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Pacifism and isolationism have never prevented pacifists and isolationists from admiring foreign dictators, I notice (even when they are neither pacifistic nor isolationist). It's only America that must never interfere with "liberties" or build an "empire," while the Commies and Nazis are heroes to these people.

Ho-ites and Francoists united against the repression of Ashcroft and the militarism of Bush . . . what a hypocritical joke!

12 posted on 08/01/2004 1:05:48 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Nachamu, nachamu `ammi . . . !)
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I'm a paleocon myself. I support the war only because Iraq was a threat to the US, not because America has any obligation to liberate people. I'm against free trade. But Kerry who lives off Heinz which has outsourced jobs has zero credibility on the issue.


13 posted on 08/01/2004 3:46:35 PM PDT by French-American Republican
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During the "thunderous applause" after that line, I was instead THINKING about what he had just said. Those thoughts are well summed up in this article, though they had not been as well formed, since I couldn't recall many of the wars mentioned here. I certainly took issue with what he'd said on the basis of my recollection, though.

I'm glad someone took the time to expand on this line, and bring some thoughtfulness into the public discourse about it.

Thanks for posting it.
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15 posted on 08/01/2004 9:24:48 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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Good read! It just proves that people can swallow lies if they are cloaked in nice-sounding words--just like Kerry's "eloquent" 1971 Senate testimony.


16 posted on 08/01/2004 9:39:18 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee (Now Playing ! John Kerry: The Frenchurian Candidate!)
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17 posted on 08/01/2004 9:40:29 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Did I mention I'm peddling a book?)
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Kagan expertly exposes why Kerry cannot be trusted in wartime.


18 posted on 08/01/2004 11:06:52 PM PDT by beckett
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