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Many conservative American Muslims are turning to Kerry
Pasadena News ^ | 7-31-04 | Derrick Z. Jackson

Posted on 08/01/2004 8:18:16 AM PDT by SJackson

Edited on 08/01/2004 8:24:03 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

HASHIM Raza is a 38-year-old physician from St. Louis who, like like a majority of Arab- Americans, voted for President Bush in 2000. Raza has voted Republican in every presidential election starting with Ronald Reagan in 1984.

This year, he will vote for Democrat John Kerry. "After 9/11, things started adding up,' he said at a reception Tuesday for Muslim attendees to the Democratic National Convention hosted by the Islamic Society of Boston. "Muslims were unfairly targeted; we were presumed guilty; Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Cheney acted like they have no use for Muslims. The Republican Party has become a refuge for far right religious extremists. I believe people like Bush senior and (Bob) Dole were moderates. But now I feel the party has excluded me.' A year ago, Arif Gafur, a 52- year-old engineer for Shell Oil in Houston, did not know anything about being a delegate to the convention. Before 9/11, he and many of his professional friends were never involved in politics. But the aftermath of the terrorist attacks, where many Muslims were detained, made him concerned. "America is the best country in the world, but it's not easy to be a Muslim,' he said.

The invasion of Iraq, which Gafur said was "unnecessary,' pushed him and several other South Asian Muslims to register 1,000 voters and elect delegates to district, state and national delegations. Of the about 5,000 delegates to the convention, about 40 are Muslim and six are from Texas, including himself.

"Sometimes, on Middle East policy, Kerry seems to come across as Bush Lite,' Gafur said. "But on domestic policy, with the Patriot Act and the racial profiling of Muslims, the Muslim community was awakened to the fact that we had to get involved.'

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To: SJackson

Muslims voting for Kerry? Lordy...the next thing you know, they'll tell us that rain is wet and sugar is sweet.


41 posted on 08/01/2004 9:42:07 AM PDT by Prime Choice (When Clinton lies, he insults our integrity. When Kerry lies, he insults our intelligence.)
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To: Libertina
Unfortunately, I have heard few middle easterners do the same or help support our President in this terrible time. Don't allow yourself to be discouraged, get active.

I am a Christian. I was raised in Catholic schools. I was born in this country. My father was born in this country. All four of my grandparents were born in this country. I am not welcome in the Muslim community. When I was in college I tried to join the Arab Club on campus and they wanted nothing to do with me, mostly because they were all Muslims and saw me as an infidel. They were nice enough people, but we were miles apart culturally.

You think that because I have an Arabic last name somehow I have the capability to find the terrorist cells out there and turn them over? Believe me, I would if I could. And I feel certain that Muslim-Americans would, and have, as well.

George W. Bush campaigned in 2000 with the words "the only thing Al Gore has to sell is fear itself". Now he is campaigning as the greatest fearmonger in my lifetime, enacting the most egregious laws against civil liberties since the Civil War. You may think they are necessary. If so, then you are drinking the neocon kool-aid.

Ironically, he has done all of this to purportedly save New York, Washington and Los Angeles from a devastating terrorist attack. The people of these three cities appreciate it so much they will vote for Kerry decisively (something I at least won't do). If they, who benefit most from all this crap, don't give a rat's behind about their security, why should those of us in the flyover states give up our liberties for their sorry cabooses?

42 posted on 08/01/2004 9:59:49 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: SJackson
 

So the Taliban are voting for Kerry.....As if no one saw that coming......BFD.

43 posted on 08/01/2004 10:03:15 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: massadvj
You think that because I have an Arabic last name somehow I have the capability to find the terrorist cells out there and turn them over? Believe me, I would if I could. And I feel certain that Muslim-Americans would, and have, as well.
I understand you are Christian, and I don't think you have special knowlegde about where the terorists are, same here. I wish President Bush had gotten rid of Norman Minetta, who thinks it's neccessary to search young kids an grandmothers. I think it would have been more effective to go after the target group first, instead of spreading it around... But, I don't quite understand what you want - you say you don't want to lose civil liberties, but want President Bush to be truly effective in fighting for our saftey. So, what do you feel he should do? What should we Americans do to help, in your opinion?
45 posted on 08/01/2004 10:24:13 AM PDT by Libertina (Photoshop is our friend - just ask John Bunny-Suit Kerry ;))
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To: SJackson

Daniel Pipes said the Democrat party was fast becoming the clear party for the Muslims.


47 posted on 08/01/2004 11:11:29 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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To: counterpunch

Great Pic!


48 posted on 08/01/2004 11:13:25 AM PDT by Chieftain ('W' in '04!)
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To: massadvj

So, are you voting for Bush?


49 posted on 08/01/2004 11:15:33 AM PDT by Chieftain ('W' in '04!)
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To: Libertina
So, what do you feel he should do? What should we Americans do to help, in your opinion?

I realize he is in a tough spot. I do like the guy personally. When I see him on TV he seems honest and genuine. Unfortunately, we don't agree on very much politically. He is a statist through and through.

You ask what I could do and what Bush could do. I'll start with me.

I own a small business. I sell antiques and collectibles on eBay and on my web site (www.auktiononline.com). My business brings in hundreds of thousands of dollars from outside my community, much of it from foreign countries. By the time me and my employees and suppliers spend it, and the places they spend it turn it over, we're talking several million dollars in economic benefit. Clearly, the best thing I personally can do is to continue what I am doing and grow by as much as I possibly can. Especially here in Pennsylvania, where new types of businesses need to step up to overcome the economic losses from the decline in manufacturing. For most hard-working Americans, I feel certain the answer is the same.

As for Bush, I think he is dreaming if he thinks he can contain the uinevitable. Sooner or later nuclear and/or biological weapons are going to end up in the hands of a few fanatics. It might be next year or it might be in 50 years. It might be Muslims, or the North Koreans, or whomever. I don't believe it is really within Bush's power to stop it. I don't think he believes it is, either, but he wants desperately to see that it doesn't happen on his watch, and to pass on some semblance of order to the next guy.

The thing is, this threat is not internal. It's external. And yet, they treat it as an internal threat, as if little old ladies from Peoria might be terrorists. Meanwhile, the borders -- the place where the real problem exists -- are even less secure now than they were 4 years ago. Mexican trucks cross the border virtually unheeded. Why? One reason. Public relations. If you personally are searched, you will perceive that things are safe and you will travel and spend money.

When you get right down to it, what are they protecting? Real estate and urban infrastructure. I think the long-term solution is to close the noose around the cities for now, become far less interventionist overseas, decentralize the government and deurbanize the society. This is the conservative approach. Bush, by contrast, seems hell-bent to expand the central government and the country's role internationally in the futile hope that being centralized and militarily imperialistic will be better for us. Every true conservative knows intuitively that the exact opposite is true. It was Teddy Roosevelt, after all who articulated the "walk softly and carry a big stick" foreign policy.

Most of the functions that are performed in the cities can now be performed without one. The stock markets do not have to have buildings to exist. Neither do the financial markets and most service-oriented functions that account for 75 percent of the economy. When the cost of securing the cities outweighs the economic advantages of having them, then maybe we ought to consider how we can reorganize things. We'd be much better off culturally as a society of small towns anyway. I think that ought to be the long-term goal, and for the short term we ought to be more focussed on the things that can yield results rather than propagating fear.

50 posted on 08/01/2004 11:51:10 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: massadvj

I appreciate your answer and will consider it a while before replying.


51 posted on 08/01/2004 12:06:18 PM PDT by Libertina (Photoshop is our friend - just ask John Bunny-Suit Kerry ;))
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To: SJackson

52 posted on 08/01/2004 12:17:54 PM PDT by drq
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To: mhking
The left likes to demonize "conservative Christians" (didn't they make such a comment at this year's DNC Convention?

Why is it the media doesn't find any problem with support from "Fundamentalist Muslims" (the type likely to engage in jihad)?

53 posted on 08/01/2004 12:34:37 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: SJackson
"The Republican Party has become a refuge for far right religious extremists."

This is obviously a euphemism for "conservative Judeo-Christians". If it were a slam on ALL conservatives who were "religious extremists" he should feel at home because muslims would be included among their ranks. He feels specifically excluded, ergo he takes issue with non-muslim "extremists".

Ask him where he stands on the issue of Israel and you will probably do a lot more to understand his anger with the Republican party in favor of Democrats.

54 posted on 08/01/2004 12:39:40 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: SJackson
So the terrorists fellow travellers are flocking to the appeaser?

Wait, let me put my surprised face on...

55 posted on 08/01/2004 12:42:15 PM PDT by whd23 (It's long past time to end the moon-worshipping death cult)
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To: whd23
So the terrorists fellow travellers are flocking to the appeaser?

Funny that the terrorists had always voted Republican before 2004.

56 posted on 08/01/2004 12:46:28 PM PDT by jsbankston
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To: SJackson

I'm not in the least concerned about this.

"CONSERVATIVE AMERICANS", any stripe, any color, any religion,

WILL NOT, vote for kerry !!!

Real conservatives CANNOT bring themselves to pull that dim lever.

This is my take on it.


57 posted on 08/01/2004 12:50:36 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: gilliam

Muslims who stick fanatically to supporting a hate-filled religion that has lobotomized the Middle East are crazy. And why stay here, pray tell, if it's so hard to be a Muslim? Go off to Iran or wherever and you'll be just one of the crowd. Oh, but you like individual freedoms and American liberty? Then find another religion.


60 posted on 08/01/2004 1:09:25 PM PDT by hershey (, WH)
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