WHAT SAY YOU NOW, GROVER NORQUIST?

Michellemalkin.com ^ | 7-30-04 | Michelle Malkin

[Grzegorz 246]

I have just read an article about 60th anniversary of Warsaw uprising. Below this article I found these opinions:


"warsaw ghetto uprising was
a jewish undertaking. it was the jews who were in the ghetto. it was the jews who resisted the emptying of the ghetto, it was the jews who fought the nazis, it wasn't the poles.if anything the poles were more than happy to assist the nazis in murdering the jews. the ploes helped the nazis. there is a very good explanation as to why the most of the death camps were located in poland. the poles were willing participants in the murder of the jews.
the poles are not innocent bystanders. they went along with the germans."




"Do this book mention the anti-semitism and crimes that the Poles commited? To easy to blame always the Krauts, when the Nazis begun to loot jewish property the Poles were eager to help them."



I've got just one question: Are these kind opinions common among the Jews ?

[eno_]

What percentage of my money do you think the government is entitled to take?

[aculeus]

Norquist owes a public apology to fellow Republicans whom he has smeared as bigots for raising fundamental questions about Alamoudi and the Islamist-supporting apparatus in America.

Paging Michael Moore. Candidate for your next "documentary".

[MrNatural]

I recall you appearing on the last Grover Norquist thread, and you seemed to know a fair amount about his activities, weekly roundtable, etc: Any light you can shed on the stuff in MM's column? Thanks.

[Nick Danger]

Any light you can shed on the stuff in MM's column?

There's really nothing new to say. I don't think anyone disputes that these events have occurred. The issue is how to interpret them. Either Grover Norquist is especially unlucky at having his former associates arrested for terrorism activities by the FBI, or Muslim terrorists are especially unlucky with the FBI after associating with Grover Norquist. The result looks the same either way. The people who know which it is don't talk about stuff like that. So we'll never know.

People who imagine that Grover Norquist is some new guy who arrived on the scene coincident with Muslim terrorism will have an easier time believing the Malkin/Gaffney interpretation. People who know what Grover Norquist has been doing for the last 20 years have a hard time believing that interpretation. But I don't claim to "know" one way or the other. I don't expect to ever find out.

[EveningStar]

IIRC, several FRN members know Grover Norquist personally and don't appreciate the charges against Mr. Norquist.

[NYC GOP Chick]

Some of us don't appreciate that a man who's apparently so close to the White House and GOP leadership has brought dangerous islamists into the White House -- especially those who appeared with President Bush shortly after 9/11, in some short of show of unity or something.

If a 'rat activist and a 'rat President were entangled in the same thing, we'd be writing and calling every major media outlet, we'd be out in the streets, etc.

Just because he's right on taxes and wants to slap Reagan's name on more buildings than Klansman Byrd doesn't make him immune. I'm not automatically saying that he's guilty of anything, but perhaps we should look cautiously at his *whole* record -- not just the parts we like, while sweeping the uncomfortable aspects under the rug.

[SJackson]

I have just read an article about 60th anniversary of Warsaw uprising. Below this article I found these opinions:.."warsaw ghetto uprising was a jewish undertaking. it was the jews who were in the ghetto. it was the jews who resisted the emptying of the ghetto, it was the jews who fought the nazis, it wasn't the poles.if anything the poles were more than happy to assist the nazis in murdering the jews. the ploes helped the nazis. there is a very good explanation as to why the most of the death camps were located in poland. the poles were willing participants in the murder of the jews…the poles are not innocent bystanders. they went along with the germans."..."Do this book mention the anti-semitism and crimes that the Poles commited? To easy to blame always the Krauts, when the Nazis begun to loot jewish property the Poles were eager to help them."...I've got just one question: Are these kind opinions common among the Jews ?

How would I know what “Jews” think, their thoughts aren’t heterogenious.

I don’t know what you’re reading or who you’re talking to, so there’s no was you can expect me to explain it. You should have linked the source of your complaint.

I believe the ghetto uprising, clearly a Jewish undertaking, was just over 61 years ago. You missed the 60th anniversary by over a year. Perhaps you and the article author are discussing distinctly separate Warsaw uprisings. One or both of you should be able to figure that out.

Certainly many Poles colluded with the Nazis, many resisted, and to my knowledge Poland was the only occupied government without a collaborationist government.

So what does any of this have to do with Grover Nordquist and his terrorist pals?

[SJackson]

IIRC, several FRN members know Grover Norquist personally and don't appreciate the charges against Mr. Norquist.

That's what Hillary said about Bill and Monica.

The charges, longstanding and long denied, appear to be true.

[Grzegorz 246]

This is the source:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040731/ap_on_re_eu/poland_warsaw_uprising_2

These opinions are #18 and #19.
It's not big deal, however I noticed that people who affirm to be Jews quite often announce similar opinions.
I really know the difference between Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 43 and Warsaw Uprising in 44, but it seems that many people still don't know it.

I heard many times (even here on FR) about "legendary Polish antisemitism". It's true that not everyone in Poland loves Jews, but when I read this kind opinions I think that Jewish "antipolonism" is stronger than "legendary Polish antisemitism" - I don't know any Jew, so I can't check It.

I asked you about It, because I noticed that you post a lot about Israel and generally about Jews, so I thought that you are conversant person.

Neither I, nor my dictionary don't know the word "colluded".

[EveningStar]

I'm not defending Norquist. I'm merely pointing out that he has friends at FRN. I am a member of FR but not of FRN and I have no loyalty to Norquist. Rather, my loyalty is to those at FR and elsewhere who are willing to question Norquist's judgement and motives.

[windchime]

Some info on Al Amoudi and Sami Al Arian: 

ABC Radio: Berger and Clinton Funneling Money to Hamas?

AP: FBI Sent Hamas Money in Clinton Days

EVote.com  cache page unavailable  NEW YORK, Oct. 25 (UPI) -- Hillary Rodham Clinton said Wednesday she would
return $50,000 in campaign contributions from an American Muslim group. ...
www.evote.com/news_section/2000-10/10262000Muslim.asp

American Muslim Alliance Responds To Return Of Donations By Clinton Campaign = October 27, 2000

POLITICS AND THE FIRST LADY:  2001

Washington detains al-Amoudi under the charge of receiving assets from Libya
Libya-USA, Politics, 10/1/2003

Feds Arrest Va. Man For Libya Ties

Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi  (Photo: CBS)



A federal affidavit filed to support the complaint alleges numerous links between al-Amoudi and Libyan entities.

 

9/29/2003: Al-Amoudi Update

The charges against Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi, an official of the American Muslim Council, have to do with making undisclosed trips to Libya, and accepting large sums of money from the Libyan mission to the UN: Man Charged in Violating Libya Sanctions.

A criminal complaint unsealed Monday alleges Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi violated U.S. law by accepting, either personally or through the American Muslim Foundation he heads, $10,700 from the Libyan mission to the United Nations and by failing to disclose numerous trips to Libya on his passport.

Such actions are illegal under U.S. economic sanctions imposed in 1986 following terrorist bombings tied to Libya in Vienna and Rome.

Al-Amoudi, a naturalized U.S. citizen originally from Ethiopia, made an initial court appearance in Alexandria, Va., but neither he nor his attorney would comment on the charges. He was arrested Sunday at Dulles International Airport after a flight from London, officials said.

The charge carries a maximum prison sentence of 10 years and up to $250,000 in fines, prosecutors said.

Clinton Emissary Said to be Bin Laden Bag Man  Free Republic

American Muslims and U.S. Foreign Policy: What are their major objectives, and how are they being implemented? 

CO-OPTING THE MUSLIMS

Terrorism in Tampa -  Sami Al-Arian - Tampa Bay Online  3-25-03   Timeline / Links to Stories from 2-1-95 until arrest in right hand column 

Al-Arian in White House Complex  CNN

The Florida professor indicted last week on terrorism charges was granted entry to the White House complex and briefed by a senior administration official as part of a 160-person group in June 2001, according to a White House official.

Officials would not release the name of the senior administration official who briefed the group. A member of the president's Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives also briefed them, according to the White House.

Sami Al-Arian, 45, was arrested Thursday and charged with conspiracy to commit murder in connection with his alleged support of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which the State Department has labeled a terrorist organization. If convicted, he faces up to life in prison.

Al-Arian, who taught at the University of South Florida, has five children and denied any links to terrorism.

The White House said Al-Arian entered the Eisenhower Executive Office Building with the American Muslim Council as part of what the White House called an "outreach meeting."

"This demonstrates that the Justice Department is pursuing terrorism regardless of whether someone attended a White House meeting or not," White House spokesman Taylor Gross said.

This meeting was the only time Al-Arian was on the White House grounds during the Bush administration. However, the White House official said Secret Service records show Al-Arian also visited June 23, 2000, during the Clinton administration.

MUSLIM INTERN FOR REP. DAVID BONIER KICKED OUT OF MEETING WITH BUSH ADMINISTRATION BY SECRET SERVICE   7-5-01

[NYC GOP Chick]

OK, fair enough. I'm willing to give Norquist a fair shot, but I do resent that those of us who doubt him are sometimes smeared as bigots and the like.

[EveningStar]

Don't worry. I'm with you completely. I simply wanted to point out that Norquist has friends here who get very defensive when their beloved buddy criticized. Don't be surprised if this thread gets locked or even pulled.

[NYC GOP Chick]

No problem - thanks. :)

[EveningStar]

That should have read: buddy is criticized

[ClintonBeGone]

Grover Norquist is a smart guy. He's always been ahead of the curve on taxation issues and the dire need for tax reform. Still, I've never understood his fascination - and willingness to work with - certain segments of - uhh -"society."

I totally agree. Grover is a brillant man. Most of his attackers here couldn't carry 5% of his IQ. But I too don't know why he doesn't drop the Muslim gig until it's a little safer.

[ClintonBeGone]

I believe that Grover Norquist is an anti-Semite

What evidence to you have that leads you to this belief? Grover is political. If you've read his writings, he is of the opinion that muslims or arabs in general, are an untapped pool of voters. He was trying to make them as loyal to republicans as the cubans in florida are/were. Then 9/11 happpened.

[ClintonBeGone]

1. creating an organization which could fundraise on this "innocent" issue and use the money for other purposes. 2. creating a drive to lower taxes irresponsibly and beyond the point of weakening our government. 3. discrediting the push to lower taxes that are genuinely too high so that, when he is outed for what he really is, all those pushing for lower taxes would get tarred with the same brush.

You need rest, a doctor or serious medicine. This is just silly.

[philman_36]

What was it Ted Kennedy said the other day? Oh yeah...
Under that old, unequal system, the quality of your connections mattered more than the content of your character.
It seems more and more that "the quality of your connections" is everything and is still alive and kickin' under this supposed new and equal system.
Ted should know, his public/political experience gives evidence of that, and the Islamists are quick learners of things that are effective and productive.

Simply another "untouchable" escapade, everyone back to sleep.
"Move along, nothing to see here."