Posted on 07/30/2004 8:25:47 PM PDT by joesnuffy
7-29-04 TYRANNY UPDATE!
Oshkosh police say 'Sorry' for trampling citizens' rights in door-to-door gun confiscations.
Oshkosh, Wis. -- In what appears to be an admission of wrong-doing by the Oshkosh Police Department, Fox 11 WLUK (Green Bay) has reported that area resident Terry Wesner was offered an apology by the department.
Police evacuated citizens from their homes within a quarantined area near Smith Elementary School Saturday night (July 17, 2004) to conduct a broad gun sweep of the neighborhood following the shooting of Oshkosh police officer Nate Gallagher.
Residents reported returning home from area shelters -- where they were herded by police -- to find their guns gone.
Others watched in awe as police took their firearms after giving police consent to search. Some were told by police their firearms would be subjected to ballistics tests, and would be returned.
"However, the bullet that hit officer Gallagher was not found," said Corey Graff, executive director of Wisconsin Gun Owners Inc. "So how can police conduct ballistics tests if there's no bullet with which to match the results? It defies logic."
Graff said the biggest issue is what he calls the department's "Guilty-until-proven-innocent" posture towards citizens.
In what appears to be a blatant knee jerk abuse of police power, the department unleashed the dogs literally when the Special Weapons and Tactics Unit (SWAT) showed up with its K-9 Unit to begin house-to-house searches.
According to media reports, the suspect fled on foot into the neighborhood, and has not been apprehended.
Warrants for searches were issued for at least two homes, (perhaps more) but homeowners in the area reported having all their firearms taken by police.
Some witnesses said the whole neighborhood was evacuated by force and citizens were being told not asked, but told to hand over their guns. Some werent even asked.
"Thats what makes me so mad," said resident Terry Wesner in an Oshkosh Northwestern report (July 20, 2004). "They had no reason [to remove firearms] without a warrant. . .I didnt know they removed anything until my buddy, whos staying with me, noticed they were missing. I thought you had to have a warrant to take someones guns." [Emphasis Added]
In a subsequent report, another resident, who worked the late night weekend shift, reported he came home to find a scene that looked like his home had been burglarized he said personal belongings were thrown about and his gun safe was empty.
"They didnt even leave a note, telling me what was going on," the man said on camera.
An elderly woman said she woke up to find police who were reported to be dressed in black, quasi-military gear conducting a search in her home in the early morning hours.
"Did the fact that this poor senior citizen happened to live in the immediate area of the crime warrant "Reasonable Suspicion" or "Probable Cause" that she could have committed this heinous act?" asked Graff.
"Is Grandma taking pot shots out her kitchen window? Is she hiding something in the cookie jar?" He said.
In the same Oshkosh Northwestern report (July 20, 2004) Oshkosh Police Captain Jay Puestohl was reported to have, "declined to say on what grounds officers had the right to remove the firearms "
"If officers were acting honorably and respecting property owners' rights, why not say so? Why not be upfront? Why the secrecy?" Graff said.
One resident in the neighborhood may have found himself the subject of the investigation simply by refusing to consent to a search (entirely within his rights) according to the news report.
The Oshkosh Northwestern story quoted one neighbor who suspected homeowners who exercised their right to refuse consent to the heavy-handed searches, were presumed guilty by police as saying:
". . .[T]heyve been downright rude to us. . .You dont treat so-called civilians this way." [Emphasis Added]
The news story goes on to say that Captain Puestohl ". . .declined to say whether officers pursued the warrant because the residents refused a consent search."
This hysteria-driven Oshkosh neighborhood gun grab could establish a nightmarish precedent for a wide-open abuse of police power to be unleashed upon Badger State gun owners said WGO.
The silence from other gun rights groups on this issue is deafening.
"The institutional gun lobby is just as scared as the poor people in that Oshkosh neighborhood," Graff said. "They might be thinking, 'If I speak out, will my guns be next?'"
Wesner, one of the brave gun owners to speak out against the rash of gun confiscations that occurred after the shooting, said police confiscated his guns after entering his home without a search warrant.
He reported in a Thursday, July 22 television interview with WLUK-FOX 11, "They [the police] are not going to come in my home again [without a warrant]."
That same report stated that the police "acknowledged a lack of proper procedure [in not obtaining a warrant]."
Wisconsin Gun Owners Inc. said the most effective response for gun owners is to join and contribute to the organization's bold, no-compromise educational crusade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
7-17-2004
TYRANNY ALERT!
OSHKOSH POLICE CONDUCT DOOR TO DOOR GUN CONFISCATIONS
Shooting of Oshkosh police officer results in knee jerk neighborhood gun grab
Oshkosh, Wis. -- Following the shooting of an Oshkosh police officer Saturday night, area residents were forced from their homes, their lawful firearms being confiscated by police.
The Oshkosh Police Department's Special Weapons and Tactics Unit responded to the area, with a K-9 police dog in pursuit of the perpetrator who was reported to have fled on foot.
Citizens' guns were seized through searches of area homes. The police promised to return the firearms after forensic tests proved they were not involved in the crime. The injured officer's name was withheld, but media reports indicate his condition is not life-threatening.
"The message is: Hand over your guns, now!" said Corey Graff, executive director of Wisconsin Gun Owners Inc. "This is a blatant case of guilty-until-proven-innocent and an abuse of police power."
Still, residents in the area are furious about the home invasions by police and what they see as theft of their property. Although early reports are unclear, they indicate a search warrant was issued for two homes, yet additional home owners also had firearms confiscated.
"We want the perpetrator of this crime caught and brought to justice just like everyone else," said Graff. "But that doesn't mean the police should trample citizens' 4th amendment protections, steal lawful private property and enter the home without reasonable suspicion or warrant."
One homeowner in the area said his guns were taken by police, guns that hadn't left his gun safe since last hunting season. Another victim of the police searches -- an elderly women -- reported waking up to officers' searching her home in the early morning hours.
The Oshkosh Northwestern reported, "Residents were not being allowed to return to their homes by press time."
The Police were just doing their job, following standard procedure. There is no record of any policemans ever violating a citizen.
/sarcasm
I've read this story twice, then I saw your pic...it was like a metal gauntlet slapped across my face. What type of police officer would follow an unlawful order to confiscate weapons?
The people of this town should form-up the militia and lock-up all these cops involved...INCLUDING THE POLICE CHIEF AND MAY0R if nothing is done.
If these cops are not punished, then it will invite further tyranny later.
Just say NO to Tyranny!
Just fanning the flames.
OMG PD Screwed the pooch on this issue ..........LOL !
Stay safe Bert !
>>These people gave their permission to do this.
Not all.
>> As far as I can see there was no force involved.
Just fearsome stormtrooper tactics, plus some burglary. How did the thugs get the safes open?
>>They could have all told them to go screw themselves.
Those who did were singled out as suspects, as if asserting one's rights is probable cause to believe that one is a criminal.
Prior thread on this topic here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1179524/posts
I think that there is a judge who needs to be impeached as well, unless he is completely exonerated by some officers swearing out false affidavits. Even so, it is time some judges learned to ask a few questions, and maybe even to say no upon occasion.
"Those who did were singled out as suspects"
The whole neighborhood was suspect regardless of anything they said. As it is, the media contains mention of one person's outrage. That person gave permission for the search. Otherwise, there is no mention of outrage, whether by journalistic acct, or letters to the editor from those involved.
Quick! Quick! Some jackboots for you to lick!
Starting happy hour early today, Laz?
It certainly isn't, and whoever approved this outrageous action needs to be put out of a job and sued into bankruptcy. What kind of police chief approves unlawful entry of a private home without a warrant? Not to mention unconstitutional search and seizure without a warrant.
This is exactly something that might have been done in Nazi Germany. It is an intolerable outrage when it happens in the USA.
Fire them all.
Sshhh, they're busy composing the latest fund raising letter.
I have been a NRA member for many years and have often defended it on FR, but sometimes I wonder why. They should have lawyers all over the Oshkosh PD like stink on doo-doo, but I guess Wayne is too busy making nice with Washington big shots to be bothered by a little thing like a mass gun confiscation.
In a subsequent report, another resident, who worked the late night weekend shift, reported he came home to find a scene that looked like his home had been burglarized he said personal belongings were thrown about and his gun safe was empty.No warrant. Not hot pursuit."They didnt even leave a note, telling me what was going on," the man said on camera.
An elderly woman said she woke up to find police who were reported to be dressed in black, quasi-military gear conducting a search in her home in the early morning hours.
This is major felony territory -- for the cops and officers. They made themselves criminal.
You gave an account by and from Mr. Graff. I was unable to find any other account that indicated the police entered any house w/o permission, other than with warrants. I met Mr Graff and don't trust him any more than I do the Oshkosh PD. He's a petty tyrant looking for $s and attn. Notice no names are given above. No interviews, just a lot of creative writing.
You know, it was amazing at the speed at which the name and address of that INS officer carrying Elian Gonzales was put up on the internet after that particular incident.
Nothing less will do.
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