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Initiative would change the way Colorado allocates electoral votes
Gazette ^ | 7/30

Posted on 07/30/2004 4:26:39 PM PDT by ambrose

Initiative would change the way Colorado allocates electoral votes

By Kyle Henley The Gazette

DENVER - A citizen initiative to reform the way Colorado votes in presidential elections could affect who sits in the White House next year.

On Friday, a citizen group submitted 130,000 signatures to the Secretary of States Office to put an initiative on the ballot that would alter the way Colorado allocates Electoral College votes in presidential contests.

The measure, called the Colorado Electoral College Reform Initiative, would put Colorado on the leading edge of election reform in the nation.

The Electoral College, rather than the popular vote, is what determines presidential races.

Each state receives a set number of electoral votes based on the size of its congressional delegation. Colorado, for example, has nine Electoral College votes.

Currently, Colorado is one of 48 winner-take-all states. In 2000, George W. Bush won 51 percent of the vote here and walked away with 100 percent of the state's Electoral College votes.

But backers of the initiative want to divvy Electoral College votes between candidates based on their performance.

"Proportional representation is a more democratic method of selecting electors and provides a truer portrait of Colorado's political composition," campaign manager Rick Ridder said.

Using the example of the 2000 election in Colorado, Bush would have received five Electoral College votes and Al Gore would have picked up the other three. At that time, the state had eight total votes.

Maine and Nebraska are the only other states that split Electoral College delegates, though in a different manner than is being proposed here. In those states, the presidential winner in each congressional district gets an electoral vote.

Backers of the measure want it to have an impact right away. If the measure passes, it would go into effect immediately and be in play in the race between Democrat John Kerry and President Bush.

"When something needs correction, why would you wait until four more years for it to go into effect," asked campaign spokeswoman Julie Brown. "We believe this needs fixing now."

If the race between Kerry and Bush ends up being a close one, the Colorado iniative could be a factor in deciding who wins.

In 2000 Gore won the popular vote nationwide but lost the Electoral College vote. Changes like the reform being suggested here would make such a scenario less possible.

About 68,000 signatures from valid Colorado voters are needed to put an initiative on the statewide ballot. Election officials will spend the next few weeks verifying signatures to see if the measure will earn a spot on the November ballot.

The Colorado Republican Party will lead the opposition if the initiative makes the ballot. The GOP, with its registration advantage in Colorado, usually carries the day here


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: coelectoralvotes; electionpresident; electoralcollege
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1 posted on 07/30/2004 4:26:42 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: Torie; KQQL; Dales

Interesting. I doubt it will pass, but it certainly does throw a wild card into the mix.

I am surprised this hasn't been tried in California..


2 posted on 07/30/2004 4:27:57 PM PDT by ambrose (Kerry is endorsed by the Communist Party USA)
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To: ambrose
I am surprised this hasn't been tried in California..

Time for an initiative petition.

3 posted on 07/30/2004 4:30:52 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: ambrose

You shouldn't be, it would hurt the demonrats, not help them.


4 posted on 07/30/2004 4:32:00 PM PDT by FreeKnight (Strength and Honor)
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To: ambrose
"When something needs correction, why would you wait until four more years for it to go into effect," asked campaign spokeswoman Julie Brown. "We believe this needs fixing now."

Paging Mr. Madison. Mr. James Madison. Please pick up white courtesy phone No. 10 in the rotunda.

5 posted on 07/30/2004 4:32:42 PM PDT by Dahoser (Kevin Martin for Congress. The campaign begins now.)
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To: FreeKnight

that's the point. there are many initiatives on the ballot in CA that hurt the Dems... some of them even pass from time to time.


6 posted on 07/30/2004 4:32:57 PM PDT by ambrose (Kerry is endorsed by the Communist Party USA)
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To: ambrose

It would be worth a shot here, The dims would freak over giving near half of those electoral votes to us.


7 posted on 07/30/2004 4:33:47 PM PDT by Slicksadick (He's French. His hairdresser also grooms poodles. He's a rich woman's pet. That cover's it)
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To: ambrose
"...Denver-based Democratic political consultant Rick Ridder..."is the guy behind this.

http://tinyurl.com/4a26q

Does the story above mention the party tie?

9 posted on 07/30/2004 4:45:50 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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To: ambrose

Damn CRATS will do anything to get their jerk elected. Let me warn you now, if he is, that will be the end of America. Kerry will invite the terrorist in for a party. If we can do the same for California and New York I believe President Bush would win by a landslide.


10 posted on 07/30/2004 4:46:27 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!!)
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To: Vicomte de Valmont
This whole thing defeats the point of the electoral college anyway.

It also opens up the door for the third parties to tip an election directly. If they can get enough votes to grab a few electors, you suddenly have the prospect of them being able to determine the winner. Don't like the idea of Nader or Ross Perot as King Maker.
11 posted on 07/30/2004 4:46:27 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: ambrose
Interesting. I doubt it will pass, but it certainly does throw a wild card into the mix.

Yes it would essentially nullify the electoral college.

I am surprised this hasn't been tried in California..

Because Demoncrats always win the CA electoral votes, why would they want to share them?

Seriesly

12 posted on 07/30/2004 4:51:18 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: NativeNewYorker

Denver is full of liberals (so is Boulder for that matter), not very surprising.


13 posted on 07/30/2004 4:57:47 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: ambrose

Well, I hope it isn't tried here, because it's a bad idea. If the Colorado initiative wins, the Supreme Court will probably make all states' winner-take-all laws "unconstitutional" based upon "one-man one-vote."


14 posted on 07/30/2004 4:58:56 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: ambrose

If the rules change, campaign strategy will change. We will still prevail as long as we are on the side of God, mother, and apple pie.


15 posted on 07/30/2004 5:00:47 PM PDT by bayourod (I resent Kerry telling me that his values, not mine are the only true American values.)
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To: ambrose
If the measure passes, it would go into effect immediately

I hate to break it to the Colarado Democratic Party, but ex post facto laws are unconstitutional. If it passed, it could not be used to apportion electoral votes on an election that already happened.

They just want this to go to the Supreme Court so they can scream "Bush was selected, not elected" for another four years.

16 posted on 07/30/2004 5:05:13 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (we use the ¡°ml maximize¡± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
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To: ambrose

This is a very stupid idea. It reduces the power of the state to impact the winning candidate's vote. On the surface that may not sound so bad, but here's why it is.

If you'll only pick up 1 electoral vote in a state, why bother going there? If you can take all the votes, that makes it much more attractive to show up.

Small states with 8 electoral votes are the very states where the winner take all is most important.

Proportional electoral votes virtually eliminates the benefit of the electoral college, which was intended to give small states more power. The more power, they more voice they had.

If Colorado wants to eliminate their voice, this is the best way to do it.


17 posted on 07/30/2004 5:25:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: ambrose
It had better not pass! The opposition has already said, "This is a sure fire way to get Colorado totally ignored in presidential elections."

Personally I think that is a very strong argument.
18 posted on 07/30/2004 5:27:56 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: DoughtyOne

and with gerrymandering, only a few districts in the state will be worth campaigning in...

this is just a cheap short term tactic to benefit Kerry, and little else.


19 posted on 07/30/2004 5:33:02 PM PDT by ambrose (Kerry is endorsed by the Communist Party USA)
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To: ambrose

I agree.

With all the reports that newspapers had done physical counts of the chad/problematic ballots in Florida, and if anything Bush had won by a larger margin, there are still people out there who think Gore won. I guess there will always be a certain segment of society who's mental capacity never advances beyond that of a child. Course I've known children smarter than this.


20 posted on 07/30/2004 5:36:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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