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Part III: War in Ancient India

Weapons of War as Gathered from Literature

Dhanur Veda classifies the weapons of offence and defense into four - the mukta, the amukta, the mukta-mukta and the yantramukta. The Nitiprakasika, on the other hand, divides them into three broad classes, the mukta (thrown), the amukta (not thrown), and the mantramukta (discharged by mantras). The bows and arrows are the chief weapons of the mukta group. The very fact that our military science named Dhanur Veda provides sufficiently clearly that the bow and arrow were the principle weapons of war in those times. It was known by different terms as sarnga, kodanda, and karmuka. Whether these are synonyms of the same thing or were different is difficult to say. The Rg vedaic smith was not only a steel worker but also an arrow maker.

Fire-Arms:

It would be interesting to examine the true nature of the agneya-astras. Kautalya describes agni-bana, and mentions three recipes - agni-dharana, ksepyo-agni-yoga, and visvasaghati. Visvasaghati was composed of 'the powder of all the metals as red as fire or the mixture of the powder of kumbhi, lead, zinc, mixed with the charcoal and with oil wax and turpentine.' From the nature of the ingredients of the different compositions it would appear that they were highly inflammable and could not be easily extinguished.

A recent writer remarks: 'The Visvasaghati-agni-yoga was virtually a bomb which burst and the fragments of metals were scattered in all directions. The agni-bana was the fore-runner of a gun-shot.....

Sir A. M. Eliot tells us that the Arabs learnt the manufacture of gunpowder from India, and that before their Indian connection they had used arrows of naptha. It is also argued that though Persia possessed saltpetre in abundance, the original home of gunpowder was India. It is said that the Turkish word top and the Persian tupang or tufang are derived from the Sanskrit word dhupa. The dhupa of the Agni Purana means a rocket, perhaps a corruption of the Kautaliyan term natadipika.

(source: Fire-Arms in Ancient India - By Jogesh Chandra Ray I.H.Q. viii. p. 586-88).

Heinrich Brunnhofer (1841-1917), German Indologist, also believed that the ancient Aryans of India knew about gunpowder.

(source: German Indologists: Biographies of Scholars in Indian Studies writing in German - By Valentine Stache-Rosen. p.92).

Gustav Oppert (1836-1908) born in Hamburg, Germany, he taught Sanskrit and comparative linguistics at the Presidency College, Madras for 21 years. He was the Telugu translator to the Government and Curator, Government Oriental Manuscript Library. Translated Sukraniti, statecraft by an unknown author.

He attempted to prove that ancient Indians knew firearms.

(source: German Indologists: Biographies of Scholars in Indian Studies writing in German - By Valentine Stache-Rosen. p.81).

(For more refer to article by G R Josyer - India: The Home of Gunpowder and Firearms).

In his work, Political Maxims of the Ancient Hindus, he says, that ancient India was the original home of gunpowder and fire-arms. It is probable that the word Sataghni referred to in the Sundara Kanda of the Ramayana refers to cannon.

(source: Hindu Culture and The Modern Age - By Dewan Bahadur K.S. Ramaswami Shastri - Annamalai University 1956 p. 127).

The word astra in the Sukraniti is interpreted by Dr. Gustav Oppert as a bow. The term astra means a missile, anything which is discharged. Agneya astra means a fiery arm as distinguished from a firearm.

Dr. Oppert refers to half a dozen temples in South India to prove the use of fire-arms in ancient India. The Palni temple in the Madura District contains on the outer portion in an ancient stone mantapa scenes of carved figures of soldiers carrying in their hands small fire-arms, apparently the small-sized guns mentioned in the Sukranitisara. Again in the Sarnagapani temple at Kumbakonam in the front gate of the fifth story from the top is the figure of a king sitting in a chariot drawn by horses and surrounded by a number of soldiers. Before this chariot march two sepoys with pistols in their hands. In the Nurrukkal mantapam of the Conjeevaram temple is a pillar on the north side of the mandapa. Here is a relief vividly representing a flight between two bodies of soldiers. Mounted horsemen are also seen. The foot-soldier is shown aiming his fire-arm against the enemy. Such things are also noted in the Tanjore temple and the temple at Perur, in the Coimbatore District. In the latter there is an actual representation of a soldier loading a musket.

The Borobudar in Java where Indian tradition is copied wholesale. They are ascribed roughly to the period 750-850 A.D. There is a striking relief series PL. I, fig. 5, (1605) representing a battle in which two others are seen on each side, one wearing a curved sword in the right hand and a long shield, and the other a mace and a round shield resembling a wheel, all apparently made of iron. The story of the Ramayana is also given as in the Tadpatri temple from Rama's going to the forest down to the killing of Ravana. There is also a wonderful sculpture of an ancient Hindu ship.

(source: Suvarnadvipa - By R.C. Majumdar. pp 194-5).

Medhatithi remarks thus "while fighting his enemies in battle, he shall not strike with concealed weapons nor with arrows that are poisoned or barbed on with flaming shafts."

Sukraniti while referring to fire-arms, (agneyastras) says that before any war, the duty of the minister of war is to check up the total stock of gunpowder in the arsenal. Small guns is referred as tupak by Canda Baradayi. The installation of yantras (engines of war) inside the walls of the forts referred to by Manasollasa and the reference of Sataghni (killer of hundreds of men) pressed into service for the protection of the forts by Samaranganasutradhara clearly reveals the frequent use of fire arms in the battle-field.

(source: India Through The Ages: History, Art Culture and Religion - By G. Kuppuram p. 512-513).

Lord Rama with his bow defeats Ravana in the gold city of Lanka

In the light of the above remarks we can trace the evolution of fire-arms in the ancient India. There is evidence to show that agni (fire) was praised for vanquishing an enemy. The Arthava Veda shows the employment of fire-arms with lead shots. The Aitareya Brahmana describes an arrow with fire at its tip. In the Mahabharata and Ramayana, the employment of agnyastras is frequently mentioned, and this deserves careful examination in the light of other important terms like ayah, kanapa and tula-guda.

The agnicurna or gunpowder was composed of 4 to 6 parts of saltpetre, one part of sulphur, and one part of charcoal of arka, sruhi and other trees burnt in a pit and reduced to powder. Here is certain evidence of the ancient rockets giving place to actual guns in warfare. From the description of the composition of gunpowder, the composition of the Sukraniti can be dated at the pre-Gupta age.

(source: War in Ancient India - By V. R. Ramachandra Dikshitar 1944. p. 103 -105).

Next Tuesday, Part IV of War in Ancient India

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261 posted on 07/27/2004 11:50:32 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Used to be sciencediet (aka Tad Rad) but found the solution)

To: tomkow6; All

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262 posted on 07/27/2004 11:52:40 AM PDT by Soaring Feather

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263 posted on 07/27/2004 11:53:15 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Used to be sciencediet (aka Tad Rad) but found the solution)

264 posted on 07/27/2004 11:56:36 AM PDT by Soaring Feather

265 posted on 07/27/2004 11:56:59 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap - US Marines!)

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Cool! Another rivalry to enjoy. And then of course we have the Blues and Blackhawks... Ahhh! I love the competition!! :o)

266 posted on 07/27/2004 11:57:40 AM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden, it's our job to arrange the meeting.)

To: Lady Jag; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 2LT Radix jr; Radix; LaDivaLoca; Severa; Bethbg79; ...

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267 posted on 07/27/2004 12:01:40 PM PDT by tomkow6 (........Beach Party!........Beach Party!........Beach Party!........Beach Party!........Beach Party!)

"and then his seat was taken away from him as Kerry and Tom Brokaw got to sit in the coveted front row."

Any link on this?

268 posted on 07/27/2004 12:02:08 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (DA BEARS!)

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269 posted on 07/27/2004 12:04:53 PM PDT by beachn4fun (Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap - US Marines!)

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270 posted on 07/27/2004 12:05:21 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Used to be sciencediet (aka Tad Rad) but found the solution)

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I actually heard it said on a radio program, but I'll have to research in order find verifiable links. I will try to get that accomplished soon.

271 posted on 07/27/2004 12:05:50 PM PDT by Radix (The immortal words of J.F. Kerry. I voted for the War before I voted against it.)

OK, you won't see this on the mainstream news, but originally the hero Troop was supposed to throw out the 1st pitch. He was instead on short notice allowed to catch the ceremonial pitch from the pretentious war hero, and then his seat was taken away from him as Kerry and Tom Brokaw got to sit in the coveted front row. This according to a Boston radio talk program host.

I saw this somewhere on FR. What a freaking PIG Kerry is. I was thinking that had it been Pres. Bush he would not have stolen the spotlight from a true hero. I could have spit NAILS when I read this!!

272 posted on 07/27/2004 12:05:50 PM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden, it's our job to arrange the meeting.)

An even BIGGER set of boobs...

273 posted on 07/27/2004 12:08:50 PM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden, it's our job to arrange the meeting.)

To: Radix; StarCMC

Thanks

I can use it as "ammo" if it's a link.

BTW I am getting "feedback" using Hanoi Kerry's own
Vietnam Veterans Against the War website.

http://www.vvaw.org/

I NEVER mention FR

I am "just a voice"

274 posted on 07/27/2004 12:12:21 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Thank You Troops Past, Present and Future)

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

275 posted on 07/27/2004 12:22:00 PM PDT by USVet6792Retired (An Armed Society is a Polite Society)

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276 posted on 07/27/2004 12:23:05 PM PDT by USVet6792Retired (An Armed Society is a Polite Society)

To: USVet6792Retired; tomkow6; beachn4fun; trussell; Ryan Tiger; MoJo2001; All

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277 posted on 07/27/2004 12:28:22 PM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden, it's our job to arrange the meeting.)

I've been spending time daily for about a month on yahoo, msn etc forums.

NOTE : I never nention Free Republic nor ever have any links back to it.

I'm just a Viet Nam vet voicing my own opinion.

I've recently (last 2 days) switched from Hanoi Kerry "ads" to

"Let's talk about the Vietnam Veterans Against the war"

THEN I put a link right to them

http://www.vvaw.org/

People just don't know how to respond.

It's Kerry's own groups site.

It's not a "wacko right wing site"

John Kerry and War Crimes in Vietnam

http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=399

THEN I "pressure" them and ask

"Why doesn't Kerry talk about his service to America
WHEN HE CAME BACK"

THEN I ask how could people vote for Kerry
when he is a self confessed war criminal.

Try it!

278 posted on 07/27/2004 12:41:25 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Thank You Troops Past, Present and Future)

To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Diva Betsy Ross; Marysecretary; Kathy in Alaska; Gabz; beachn4fun

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279 posted on 07/27/2004 1:03:51 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

To: Kathy in Alaska

Semi amazing: The trailer of a big rig dangles by its rear wheels off the Channel 2 bridge on the Florida Keys' Overseas Highway, Fla.

The tractor portion of the rig, which hit a disabled vehicle, remained on the bridge. One person suffered minor injuries and the fish was enjoyed by all.

280 posted on 07/27/2004 2:13:51 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Used to be sciencediet (aka Tad Rad) but found the solution)

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