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2004 Projected Presidential Electoral Votes as of 7/26/2004
TradeSports.com ^ | Monday, July 26, 2004 | Momaw Nadon

Posted on 07/26/2004 7:08:56 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

State % Chance of Bush Winning Bush Electoral Votes Kerry Electoral Votes
Alabama 96.0 9 0
Alaska 94.0 3 0
Arizona 75.0 10 0
Arkansas 60.0 6 0
California 10.0 0 55
Colorado 78.0 9 0
Connecticut 6.0 0 7
Delaware 14.7 0 3
District of Columbia 0.9 0 3
Florida 51.0 27 0
Georgia 93.0 15 0
Hawaii 5.0 0 4
Idaho 95.0 4 0
Illinois 9.0 0 21
Indiana 93.0 11 0
Iowa 36.0 0 7
Kansas 94.0 6 0
Kentucky 91.0 8 0
Louisiana 81.0 9 0
Maine 25.0 0 4
Maryland 12.0 0 10
Massachusetts 4.0 0 12
Michigan 35.0 0 17
Minnesota 25.0 0 10
Mississippi 96.0 6 0
Missouri 57.2 11 0
Montana 93.0 3 0
Nebraska 96.0 5 0
Nevada 51.0 5 0
New Hampshire 41.0 0 4
New Jersey 13.5 0 15
New Mexico 40.0 0 5
New York 6.5 0 31
North Carolina 76.3 15 0
North Dakota 96.0 3 0
Ohio 53.0 20 0
Oklahoma 96.0 7 0
Oregon 38.0 0 7
Pennsylvania 37.0 0 21
Rhode Island 4.5 0 4
South Carolina 92.0 8 0
South Dakota 95.0 3 0
Tennessee 80.0 11 0
Texas 97.0 34 0
Utah 96.0 5 0
Vermont 5.0 0 3
Virginia 80.0 13 0
Washington 22.0 0 11
West Virginia 61.0 5 0
Wisconsin 41.9 0 10
Wyoming 96.0 3 0
Totals   274 264


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To: Wallaby

> Using the traders' probabilities, I ran Monte Carlo
> simulations of the election (over one million runs).
> Bush won 43.5% of these mock elections.

I suspected that. :)

As a statistician, I use Monte Carlo simulations
extensively, but unfortunately, they seem relatively
useless in this case.

Using a Monte Carlo simulation assumes an independence
of the probabilities in each state - quite the opposite
of their actual high correlation. As an example, suppose
you started your simulation with Delaware (14.7%), and
Bush won one run. That would hardly affect the outcome
of the rest of that run (it probably puts the final
most likely result at about 50-50).

But in the real world, Bush winning Delaware means that
he wins a landslide (he would certain win Florida, Ohio,
Missouri, Nevada, not to mention New Hampshire, New
Mexico, Wisconsin, Iowa, Oregon, and Pennsylvania).

If you (somehow) could look into the future and see that
Bush will win Vermont, wouldn't you want to bet all you
could at (today's) even money odds? I sure would.

Don't let me discourage you. I enjoy seeing the results
of your runs, but your methodology would not pass any
scrutiny for statistical validity. Sorry.


61 posted on 07/26/2004 1:21:59 PM PDT by 01
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To: 01

Yes -- treating these probabilities as independent is a necessary, but unjustified, presupposition of the Monte Carlo simulation I ran. So, the point you make -- which has been made on previous threads of this sort -- is correct. The problem, however, is not with Monte Carlo simulations per se. An analytic solution is similarly compromised by our ignorance of the conditional probabilities. In any event, don't worry: I'm not discouraged by your valid point.


62 posted on 07/26/2004 2:55:33 PM PDT by Wallaby
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To: ConservativeDude

I don't know if folks in PA or WI are more or less inclined to joining the Boy Scouts. My guess is that the average guy in those states would be less inclined to vote for K/E if they knew that both of them were content to let the scouts be forced by courts into accepting sodomist scoutmasters.


63 posted on 07/27/2004 4:28:32 AM PDT by Meldrim
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