Posted on 07/24/2004 8:44:29 AM PDT by I got the rope
I'm not sure how it came up, but I had some lib at work tell me that Churches that preach a pro-Bush message should lose their tax-exempt status. I told her "OK...as long as you apply your rule to 'rat churches too."
She then said, "You don't see Democrats pulling that kind of crap! "Bill Clinton never!...Seperation of Church and state....Kerry is for all people...Bush wears his religion on his sleave...judge not lest ye be judged...blah blah blah blah!"
Well. I was going to give her my one Kerry pic with him preaching in front of the Virgin Mary, but I thought I would prepare something nice for her for Monday. So how about it. Any pics out there?
PING!
There aren't any pictures on this thread, but there are some good quotes about Edwards.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1177644/posts?q=1&&page=1
Yep...that is where I found silverleafs pic of Clinton. I think all hardcore 'rats read the "talking points" all at the same time.
Their mode and method of attack is all the same all the time. It's amazing. They are like the Borg or something...one collective mind.
Right! Those were AP pics, but they have been taken down. I had it bookmarked. I hope someone saved them.
Can anyone help?
Found a great post from another FR thread:
To: NativeNewYorker
Well, this is in keeping with the theme that only Democrats are allowed to use religious imagery without invoking screams of "church and state".
The media knows darn well that when a Democrat invokes religion it isn't a statement of belief, just a cynical ploy to appeal to religious voters.
Republicans believe what they say about religion, and that scares the presstitutes to no end.
27 posted on 06/06/2004 9:18:39 AM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Wilson Reagan 1911-2004, RIP.)
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Photograph of John Kerry meeting with Comrade Do Muoi, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, in Vietnam, July 15-18, 1993. Photo taken in the War Remnants Museum (formerly the "War Crimes Museum") in Saigon in May 2004.
Jeff Epstein explains the importance of the photograph:
"This photograph's unquestionable significance lies in its placement in the American protestors' section of the War Crimes Museum in Saigon. The Vietnamese communists clearly recognize John Kerry's contributions to their victory. This find can be compared to the discovery of a painting of Neville Chamberlain hanging in a place of honor in Hitler's Eagle's Nest in 1945."
Here's the antiChrist with his Bible.
Beautiful! That will be my last pic to her. You just gave me a kick ass idea for a powerpoint presentation! LOL!
Yeeesh! Did you photoshop the skin color on that one or was his mortician on strike that day?
This is NOT campaigning in CHURCH, folks! Please do NOT call Barry Lynn! Hahahahahahahaha!
http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/160621-5531-009.html
Kerry connects with audience at AME Church meeting in Indy July 7, 2004
Democratic Presidential candidate en. John Kerry put his faith in a former rival to help him win the White House on Tuesday, then flew to Indianapolis to persuade several thousand black church leaders to put their faith in him.
Speaking to the African Methodist Episcopal Church world conference in Indianapolis, Kerry called for "a new era of responsibility" that asks as much of government as it does of citizens. He spoke just hours after picking Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., to be his running mate this fall.
"All of us have to be responsible for our actions," Kerry told the 10,000 or so people attending the session at the Indiana Convention Center in Downtown Indianapolis. He said that includes the "president in the White House, where you have an obligation to tell the American people the truth about how you take the nation to war."
The choice of Edwards, his former rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, drew widespread support from the almost exclusively black audience at the AME convention. People praised the North Carolina senator's Southern, working-class roots as a balance to New Englander Kerry's wealthy background.
Kerry, a Vietnam veteran, brings foreign policy experience, they said, while Edwards addresses the economic and social issues that so many people at the convention work on at their churches around the country.
Kerry borrowed from Edwards' standard campaign stump speech, speaking of the "two Americas, the haves and the have-nots."
To close that gap, Kerry called for the kind of personal responsibility that conservatives have long clamored for. Kerry, however, said he would back up that rhetoric with the government programs and money that liberals say are needed to help people become self-reliant.
Church officials said President Bush had been invited to speak but never responded.
Outside the convention hall, the reaction to Kerry's choice was fairly predictable.
Former Indiana Democratic Party Chairman Robin Winston -- who had been backing Edwards for president -- called the addition of the North Carolina senator to the ticket "huge."
Indiana GOP Chairman Jim Kittle, though, found it a huge yawn.
It not only won't help Kerry in Indiana, Kittle said, but he doubted it would help him in the South.
"If you can't carry your own state, I'm not sure you can carry another state," he said of Edwards.
But Kerry's message Tuesday was designed for the convention delegates, a typically left-leaning group that party strategists hope will be energized by the senator's appearance and work on his behalf when they return home.
Kerry frequently used the language of his religious audience to make his points. When he quoted Scripture, many people could be seen speaking the words along with him. When he quoted the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., whose civil rights leadership began in the pulpit, they nodded and clapped.
King and others who fought for civil rights "didn't wait for anyone to give them permission. They saw a problem. They took responsibility for fixing it."
"Send me," Kerry said repeatedly.
He promised to work toward a health care system that isn't "a privilege for the elected and connected and the wealthy." He called for an America in which more money is spent on early childhood and other education programs than on sending people to prison.
Kerry never mentioned Bush by name but repeatedly criticized the White House for delivering only "empty words."
"Don't tell me that more African-Americans in prison than in college is the best that we can do," he said. "Don't tell us that unemployment's not a problem when we see that African-American unemployment is now above 10 percent, double the rate for whites in America."
Kerry drew cheers as he said: "Don't tell us $2 a gallon at the pump is the best we can do."
As president, Kerry said, he would launch a journey for energy independence akin to the nation's endeavor to get to the moon. "Only this time we're going to make sure that no young American in uniform is ever held hostage to America's dependence on oil."
And referring to the 2000 election, which so many of those in this AME audience felt was stolen from Democrat Al Gore with black voters wrongly kicked off the voting rolls, Kerry said: "Don't tell us that disenfranchising a million African-Americans and stealing their votes is the best we can do in America."
"This time, in 2004, I pledge to you not only will every vote count, but we are going to make sure that every vote is counted," he said.
Kerry, though, also reached out to the kind of voters who think government is no substitute for parents and personal responsibility. And he sounded a lot like former Vice President Dan Quayle, who was ridiculed in 1992 when he criticized the TV show "Murphy Brown" as an example of a culture that didn't emphasize the importance of fatherhood.
"Children need to get their role models at home, not from the media," Kerry said. He brought some to their feet when he added: "Fathers need to show their sons that raising a baby, not making a baby, is what makes you a man."
In a release handed out to reporters, Kerry's campaign said his proposals -- including job training and other opportunities for fathers -- would be paid for by repealing tax cuts for those who make more than $200,000 a year and by instituting "pay as you go" spending caps in which new spending is accompanied by other reductions.
Kerry seemed to connect with the audience at the Convention Center.
"I'm impressed," said Diana Guice, 57, Delaware, Ohio. "I hope he's the next president."
Douglas Bynum, 21, said he believes the Kerry-Edwards ticket will be attractive to many voters.
"I'm from North Carolina, too," he said. "Together, they'll represent a larger cross-section of the country. Kerry seems open-minded with diverse groups."
Lisa Scofield Hamm, 34, was among the majority of church members who gave Kerry a standing ovation at the speech's end.
"It touched on all the issues I care about -- the war, poverty, education, health care," said Hamm, a social worker from Toms River, N. J. "Time will
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