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Did Sandy Berger “Fry” Flight 800 Records?
Mens News Daily ^ | July 22, 2004 | Tom Kovach

Posted on 07/22/2004 4:17:31 AM PDT by johnny7

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To: Zavien Doombringer
"they had to hose down"

From what was shown on news footage, the parts were blasted with firehoses as they came out of the water and prior to loading on the decks. Many sites have also pointed this out. Don't the ship firehoses use surface water?

121 posted on 07/22/2004 12:47:50 PM PDT by Deguello
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To: Deguello

yes...they do from what I am told. I wasn't in the navy.
my buds were. I don't know if they were involved with the hosing on the decks. They just said that hosing them down was required.


122 posted on 07/22/2004 12:52:06 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: LS
There are quite a books that refute the official story about TWA Flt. 800. As soon as they came out, the authors were either ignored or were savaged and labeled as kooks.

And let's say that Condi and Bush and the rest of the administration "know" that the official story is a lie, but they can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to an unreasonable press corp. On how many Clinton scandals has that scenario been played out? For example, do you believe that Vince Foster committed suicide and/or that he committed suicide in Ft. Marcy park?

You can have it several ways. Maybe Bush believes it. Or perhaps they know report is a lie but the Bush administration can't prove it. We live in a political world. Making such unprovable charges would create a host of enemies out of the people and organizations that signed off on the report, so the administration either quietly investigates or is busy enough with other things to let it go. You have to pick your battles and maybe right now Flt. 800's not the hill they want to die on.

Heck, you can't even get the democrats to admit that they publically stated that they believed that Saddam had WMDs. And look at the heat Bush has taken for the British report on the Niger uranium story that turned out to be true. For that matter, look at how Clinton is dancing around his missed opportunity to take OBL from the Sudanese.

If Bush has this much trouble getting public acknowledgment for these things, do you really expect him to, assuming that he knows but can't prove, publically refute the official story and say that a terrorist missile took out Flt. 800? And why must it be AQ? Was there even knowledge of AQ at that time?

President Bush is not responsible for fixing everything that happened on Clinton's watch. Clinton has spent his entire life covering his tracks and he's still a free man. And let's not forget Sen. Clinton is still at work in high places keeping the bodies buried.

123 posted on 07/22/2004 12:54:05 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Hatteras
While I would like to think there is a link between OK City, flight 800 and the ME, and that Vince Foster did not off himself, I just can’t believe our government could achieve such cover ups. Somebody always talks, writes a book or speaks off the record.

Clinton couldn’t even get a hummer in his own office without the world knowing about.

The National Archives is apparently wide open. The real secret is that our government is largely incompetent at keeping secrets and equally incompetent in finding out those of our enemies.

Bureaucratic incompetence is the real threat to our national security.

124 posted on 07/22/2004 1:06:12 PM PDT by usurper
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To: GBA

It's still too much to believe. Again, you have hundreds, perhaps THOUSANDS of insiders who would have some knowledge and a BIG payday from a book contract and or the Dem smear machine (even if it could be traced back to Clinton, the immediate impact would be "Bush knew"). I'm telling you, there is no way this could stay bottled up. No way, regardless of motives.


125 posted on 07/22/2004 1:10:45 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
"with the hosing on the decks"

To be more clear, the aircraft parts were lifted by cranes out of the water. As the parts were held over the water, they were blasted with firehoses...news footage of several ships doing same.

126 posted on 07/22/2004 1:21:11 PM PDT by Deguello
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To: Semper Paratus
Many copies ALSO had different notes and or comments on them...or the notes were in various "revision levels" Sandy was on a mission to get a "particular" one, one that had something noted or added, that was going to "haunt" someone really soon...I'll bet he was gonna keep going back until he got it...I think it is interesting that the people at the NA building were on to him and let him dig himself a NICE AND DEEP hole.

I can't wait to see him and his lawyer start screaming "entrapment"...that he was TRAPPED by repeated sloppy criminal behavior...

127 posted on 07/22/2004 1:30:34 PM PDT by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: Deguello

Still peculiar, why hose off a part with seawater when it was already in seawater?


128 posted on 07/22/2004 1:40:59 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: tang-soo
Thanks for that cogent,well detailed explanation.
129 posted on 07/22/2004 1:59:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Zavien Doombringer
"Still peculiar"

Keep us up on any inside information.

130 posted on 07/22/2004 1:59:36 PM PDT by Deguello
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To: LS; Zavien Doombringer
Look how long it took for the facts to come to light regarding that Korean Airlines jet that was shot down by the Soviets back in the 1980s.

I have no idea what happened to TWA Flight 800, but I am nearly 100% certain of this: the "official" cause of the crash was utter bullsh!t.

Which immediately brings up an inevitable question: Why would anyone in an investigative capacity be interested in providing an erroneous cause of an airline crash?

131 posted on 07/22/2004 2:28:03 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: LS
I don't put anything past Clinton, either, but again, any conspiracy theory HAS to involve the Bush administration, because they "knew" about it after the fact and did nothing.

Understood. I have no problem implicating the Bush administration in a cover-up about Flight 800, since this is apparently what they are doing with regard to the Oklahoma City bombing.

132 posted on 07/22/2004 2:32:09 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: Deguello
The FBI's triangulation of the witness' sightings has me favoring a shoot-down.

And I've said here on FR many times that IF TWA Flight 800 was shot down, it didn't involve terrorists . . . it was an accidental shoot-down by a naval vessel.

133 posted on 07/22/2004 2:34:43 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: Alberta's Child

Alert! Now you people who think these conspiracy kooks are "just out for the truth" know where all this is heading.


134 posted on 07/22/2004 3:42:49 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I think the real question is why people can't accept a real cause as the real cause, and are obsessed with jumping into UFOs and grassy knolls.


135 posted on 07/22/2004 3:43:51 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: LS
Well, let's face it . . . whenever you have the NTSB and FBI staging an explosion to illustrate the "cause" of an airline disaster, you gotta figure that a lot of people are going to be downright skeptical of their motives, no?
136 posted on 07/22/2004 3:59:37 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: LS
Another high-level Clinton insider — former White House chief of staff, turned ABC-TV news analyst, George Stephanopoulos — referred to the bombing of Flight 800 on the air. With that remark — and his associated description of being inside the “other situation room” in the White House at the time of the Flight 800 disaster — a direct link was made between Clinton and Flight 800.

So, what does this link between Bill Clinton and Flight 800 have to do with the current John Kerry presidential campaign? Well, perhaps nothing, except that John Kerry also referred to Flight 800 as a terrorist incident in a televised interview.

You also have to figure that multiple references like this to "terrorist incidents" in comments about Flight 800 are more than just a coincidence, right?

137 posted on 07/22/2004 4:03:16 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: Alberta's Child
It's real simple: I believe Pres. Bush is an honest man, and I believe Jim Kallstrom was a man of integrity. It would take overwhelming evidence, which you don't have, to make me disblieve either.

You believe whatever you want.

138 posted on 07/22/2004 4:38:46 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: LS
I believe Pres. Bush is an honest man, and I believe Jim Kallstrom was a man of integrity. It would take overwhelming evidence, which you don't have, to make me disblieve either.

"Put not your trust in princes." -- Psalm 146:3

I've read a fairly credible explanation of what may have happened off the south shore of Long Island that night, and while I have no idea exactly what happened, there's no doubt in my mind that this explanation is more credible than the staged animation that the NTSB and FBI used to illustrate the cause of the crash.

Ask any pilot who saw that "performance" what thay thought of it, and to a person they'll tell you that it was utter bullsh!t.

139 posted on 07/22/2004 7:06:04 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: ovrtaxt

Big Thanks for the PPPIIINNNGGG.....Bkmrk for later...not enough hours in the day it seems!!


140 posted on 07/22/2004 8:19:41 PM PDT by FlashBack (Faith will not make our path easy, but it will give us strength for the Journey.)
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