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[tang-soo]

I've posted this top a few other threads. Please ignore if you've seen it before ...

I called our local Clear Channel station the night after this story broke and spoke for about 10 minutes describing the procedures used to handle classified information. The following is a basic description of what I said ...

1) A person who wishes to review classified information at a given facility must have his/her clearance on file with the security office that has legal custody of the information.

2) Once they arrive to the facility, they must show their credentials to identify themselves, sign into the facility - maybe issued a badge indicating their clearance and access and escorted to the room where the material will be reviewed.

3) Once in the room, the container (probably a safe i.e. a very heavy duty file cabinet with heavy combination locks with different combinations on each drawer) is opened. This process should be logged by security personnel.

4) The documents are taken from the container. All classified documents are stamped (each page) with items such as a control number, date of creation, level of clearance (top and bottom), program name indicating what access is required and eventual dispensation (i.e. when the material is designated to destruction if applicable).

5) If the documents are classified "top secret", each document has a log on the cover sheet. EACH time a person has access to this information, they must sign and date it.

6) The material is not to be removed (ie stuffed in underwear, socks ... etc) without approval of security personnel. If this takes place, the transfer is documented on both ends of the transaction. If the material is top secret or above, it requires at least two cleared people as an escort.

7) If you travel overnight, the material is not to be kept in your hotel/motel room but instead must be taken to an approved facility. Arrangements are usually made in advance. Security people do not like suprise visits. They like to make them but not receive them.

8) No photocopies are to be made or notes copied without the proper security personnel logging this activity and making appropriate markings (mentioned above) on the documents.

9) This material is frequently audited by internal security agents and is subject to "suprise" audits conducted by military, FBI or other external security personnel.

10) People given access to this type of information are briefed and attend classes on how to handle this material - ie. no excuses for "honest mistakes".

11) As the NSA for the clinton administration, I imagine Berger was personally responsible that this protocol was designed, implemented and enforced by his staff - at least in an appropriately managed administration. This would apply to government employees, officials, military personnel and civilians under contract and extended clearances issued by the DoD, DoE or other intel operations.

12) As such, ANYBODY who has worked in this environment and heard Mr. Berger's comments yesterday about being "sloppy" and "an honest mistake" knows beyond any doubt that he was not only lying, but this was a premeditated act.

13) I left the aerospace business(as an engineer) in 1993 so these comments are based upon the security world of that time. Only Lord knows how the clinton adm changed things during his 8 years.

That summarizes what I mentioned to Steve Cannon of WTVN 610 AM (Columbus, Oh) last night.

The latest word I have heard from this morning is that this material was classified "Code Word Access". Folks, if true, this is "Above Top Secret" ie. John Pollard type material.

So the question comes to mind, why would anybody do such a thing under conditions where he knew he stood a huge chance of being caught? The mission must have been extraordinary for such a risk. The presumption is that he wanted to alter or remove and destroy material that implicated either himself, or quite possibly mr. clinton. The fact that some of the material is "lost" implies that regardless of the consequences, the mission has been accomplished with his current situation collateral damage.

Webb Hubbell's infamous quote "I guess I'll have to roll over again for Hillary" comes to mind. Another example of the clinton whirlwind leaving a trail of destruction in its wake.

[dhuffman@awod.com]

coincident with Rush - perhaps on the ABC news from my news/chat station - I heard someone say that 'if you handled classified documents long enough then everyone took some inadvertantly'. Hah! Never.

'Everyone does it' is hardly mitigation.

[Grampa Dave]

Deputy AG Comey Hints at Big House for Berger, US Media Mum
To Grampa Dave | 07/21/2004 8:48:22 AM PDT sent





http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1175601/posts

Deputy AG Comey Hints at Big House for Berger, US Media Mum
NewsMax.com ^ | 7/21/04 | Carl Limbacher


Posted on 07/21/2004 8:26:19 AM PDT by kattracks



Deputy Attorney General James Comey raised the specter of a jail sentence yesterday for Clinton National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, if he's found guilty of removing top secret documents from the National Archives that were supposed to go to the 9/11 Commission.
Though Comey's comments were widely quoted, the U.S. press edited out his reference to a possible stint in the big house for Berger. A Lexis Nexis search found that only Agence France Press quoted the Deputy AG in full, including this key observation on the Berger security breach:

"It's our lifeblood to keep secrets," Comey told reporters in Washington. "All felonies in the federal system bring with them the promise of jail time, that's all I can say about that."

Comey left little doubt that Berger's so-called "sloppiness" was more likely a serious crime.

"It is against the law for anyone to intentionally mishandle classified information, either by taking it to give to somebody else, or by mishandling in a way that is outside the regulations of government information.".

In case anybody missed the point, the U.S.'s number two lawman added: "The federal system is a very tough system. . . We take issues of classified information very, very seriously."

Now wonder venues like CBS News, which reported Tuesday night the Berger would almost certainly not be charged with criminal wrongdoing, decided not to cover Comey's full comments.

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[Grampa Dave]

CCF, your thread now has the official Soxgate keyword added to the keyword section right below your thread.

Go to that section and click the keyword "Soxgate". Then you will see your great thread with all of the other great threads covering Soxgate!

[Paul Atreides]

I have a new name for Sandy Burglar: Winona Berger, after Winona Ryder.

[Zhangliqun]

Okay I'm confused. Did he swipe the photocopies or the originals? If it was just the photocopies, then aren't the originals still there and can't we look at them now?

[jnarcus]

What aggravates me is that Berger ( and all the inline spouters) say he went through "thousands of pages" of documents over several days...well hell he must just be turning those hings then cause he ain't reading them and he ain't evaluating them....most reading rooms aren't available more than 8 hours a day( and I doubt he would have put in over time)... IF he worked a solid 8 hrs continuous on each day ( and I doubt that) then 8*60= 480 minutes* 5 days=2400. So old Sandy boy must have lookede at a page per minute in order to view thousands of documents...What a load of crap

[jellybean]

This is the new Sandy Berger filing system:

Shirt=Classified
Pants=Secret
Socks=Top Secret

Reg, this would make a great graphic!

[Grampa Dave]

Now for another fun interactive computer event on this serious treason.

A lot of the purloined data was on al Kerry's Web site and used by him in a speech. Yesterday, when this was pointed out on FR, that data disappeared.

Thanks to an alert by hc hutch, we can hurry to Google to see this data as it was, before it disappeared.

Google has a cache of the press release.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:-D_V0TfzaH0J:www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0227a.html++%22UCLA+International+Institute%22+site:johnkerry.com&hl=en

So everyone who has not seen this removed Kerry Data should go to the Google link above, make a copy and send yourself an email. Save the email to another folder on your hard disk. Then send this to your email list and ask them to do the same.

If a lot of us do this, we should have hundreds of thousands of freepers with this data saved.

[GailA]

Kerry Adviser Sandy Berger Sees Potential 3 Year Force Presence in Iraq (CHIEF ADVISER berger)

[opus86]

Bump for later read.

[InterceptPoint]

I listened to Rush today and it is clear that he believes that documents were stolen (TRUE) and destroyed (TRUE) and the contents lost forever (I believe NOT TRUE).

We need to confirm that these were or were not original documents and whether or not there were copies of all of them. Since some were drafts they would not be circulated widely so the number of copies would be limited and could be 1 original only. The electronic copies might show the drafts as well (that's how Word works) but the hand written notes that are likely to be on the early drafts are probably the missing link. I can just see the notation on Clarke's draft copy: "Prez & Berger want this toned down. It could come back to bite us later."

Much of this could be answered if we knew the policies and procedures of the archive.

Hoping that someone has a definitive answer to these issues. Many of them could be addressed by the Administration without jeopardizing the Berger case (I love the sound of that). Just let us know how business was done in the Reading Room. That should not be a secret. Any decent journalist would ask this question first at the next Daily Briefing.

[Waco]

And you really want to trust your kids security (and yours) to these crimminal, traitorous, RAT bastards? Explain in 25 words or less!

[TEXOKIE]

bump

[Paulus Invictus]

Dee Dee Myers, of clintinoid infamy, was on Scarborough last night and kept screaming that the documents were just copies and that the originals were safe in the files so the "crime" was nothing more than a loss of copies, not originals. In other words, it's OK to steal, lose or shred copies. This was the latest ploy by the leftists to spin the affair. There are not many words better than despicable to describe the Clinton admin and all its apologists.

[Rockitz]

This is starting to look really good! The house of cards is about to come crashing down. I only hope that Ron Brown's, Vince Foster's, et al murders are revealed as well. There's just so much material on the Clintons, something had to stick. Maybe this is it?

I'm still praying that Bill and Hillary are indicted and go to jail!

[mtbopfuyn]

On behalf of Clinton & Co. That says it all. I just heard the latest on FOX and it is indeed getting huge. He told the guard to leave (idiot guard) and took several restroom breaks. The archives marked papers and caught him themselves. Seems there's not just copies missing but originals too. If Martha got months, Berger and his buddies should get life.