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InterestAlert.com says (via UPI report!) Nuclear arms reportedly found in Iraq -- IS THIS TRUE?
InterestAlert.com and (apparently) UPI ^ | July 21 | United Press International

Posted on 07/21/2004 9:38:10 AM PDT by Zhangliqun

BAGHDAD, July 21 (UPI) -- Iraqi security reportedly discovered three missiles carrying nuclear heads concealed in a concrete trench northwest of Baghdad, official sources said Wednesday.

The official daily al-Sabah quoted the sources as saying the missiles were discovered in trenches near the city of Tikrit, the hometown of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

"The three missiles were discovered by chance when the Iraqi security forces captured former Baath party official Khoder al-Douri who revealed during interrogation the location of the missiles saying they carried nuclear heads," the sources said.

They pointed out that the missiles were actually discovered in the trenches lying under six meters of concrete and designed in a way to unable sophisticated sensors from discovering nuclear radiation.

The sources said al-Douri, who is related to former Vice Chairman of the Iraq Revolution Council and Saddam's right-hand man Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, was captured after Iraqi police intercepted an e-mail message in which he set a meeting with another former Baath official.

The report could not be authenticated by the interior ministry or the national security department, but the paper noted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiar Zibari made a surprise request recently to Mohammed el-Baradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, to resume inspections for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Copyright 2004 by United Press International. All rights reserved.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fiftystatesweep; iraq; nuclearweapons; nulearwarheads
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Is this true, and is this really UPI?
1 posted on 07/21/2004 9:38:11 AM PDT by Zhangliqun
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To: Zhangliqun

This cannot possibly be true, because if it was, then Bush didn't lie, and everybody knows that Bush lied.

QED.

(/sarc)


2 posted on 07/21/2004 9:41:36 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Zhangliqun; All

UPI I think it might be could be Reuters


Drudge pick up the story just now


3 posted on 07/21/2004 9:41:42 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: Zhangliqun

We're waiting like you to see if this pans out.


4 posted on 07/21/2004 9:42:16 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: Zhangliqun

Same article posted on Drudge now also!


5 posted on 07/21/2004 9:42:51 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Better fight the WOT in the Iraqi "holy" city of Najaf, than in the American holy city of New York.)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

The story originally from Iraqi newspaper. Reuters claim that there is absolutely no truth in it.

Several long threads on FR regarding this news item, but all we can do is to wait and see.


6 posted on 07/21/2004 9:46:17 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Zhangliqun
Yes, UPI ran this story. Reuters has carried a denial by Iraqi officials, calling the story "stupid."

Those who gave the information to UPI are obviously confused in their understanding. They do not know the nature of radiation and the use of Geiger counters. Odds are, they also do not know the difference between a "nuclear" weapon and a "dirty bomb."

If this story is true, it is nearly certain because the Iraq nuclear program was in its earliest stages, that these were NOT "nuclear" warheads. More likely, if the story is true of finding the missiles, these were "dirty" warheads -- conventional explosives with a jacket of nuclear material to contaminate the area of their explosions.

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7 posted on 07/21/2004 9:46:23 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

We must get htis out before the main stream kills it and spins it. I will forward it to Hannity.
OPs4 God BLess America!


8 posted on 07/21/2004 9:47:45 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: Congressman Billybob

But that would be quite a find too!


9 posted on 07/21/2004 9:48:04 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Congressman Billybob

We must get this out before the main stream kills it and spins it. I will forward it to Hannity.
OPs4 God BLess America!


10 posted on 07/21/2004 9:48:07 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: Zhangliqun
Rush reported it and Glen Beck did too, this morning.

I did a search and found this:

Iraq dismisses nuclear find report

Who knows, maybe the official they spoke to is a sympathizer. I heard that the UN and other countries are now dispursing inspection teams. I wouldn't trust the UN as far as I could throw the US taxpayer subsidized palace they infest in NYC. Why would they even bother unless there was something they didn't know or didn't want anyone else to know?

I am reserving judgement on this for now. We all want to see the rats get flushed and sometimes we're willing to rush out and grasp these things as facts before they are confirm by reliable sources (notably not the UN...)

11 posted on 07/21/2004 9:48:12 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Zhangliqun
Crimminy!
12 posted on 07/21/2004 9:50:40 AM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Zhangliqun

Well, it was denied by someone whose denial was denied later. It would surprise me if it were true, but then it would surprise a lot of people. We'll see.


13 posted on 07/21/2004 9:53:01 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Congressman Billybob
If this story is true, it is nearly certain because the Iraq nuclear program was in its earliest stages, that these were NOT "nuclear" warheads. More likely, if the story is true of finding the missiles, these were "dirty" warheads -- conventional explosives with a jacket of nuclear material to contaminate the area of their explosions.

Maybe.

I should say I'm skeptical about the story too. I gave it a 10% cheance when I first heard it; I've upped that to 20%. At the same time, it's not impossible they could be real nukes. Granted, they couldn't have enriched the uranium or made the plutonium themselves. but there's enough fissile material on the international black market for Iraq to have put together two or three bombs. And the rest of the technology is trivial; anything you could do for $1bn using vacuum tubes in 1945 you can now do for $1000 using silicon.

Still, the 'dirty bomb' hypothesis is a good one. It would explain why the nukes weren't used. Dirty bombs are terror weapons; unless you get one onto Manhattan Island, for example, they don't have much impact. What's the point of contaminating the desert with low-level radioactivity? On the other hand, if Saddam had nukes, why is Kuwait City not a glowing lump of glass?

14 posted on 07/21/2004 9:54:49 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (John Edwards: Qualifications? we don' need no steenkin' qualifications!)
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To: Caipirabob
We've got four days to verify the facts and then implement "THE PLAN!"

(1)Dispatch Ron Silver to Baghdad with a camera crew.

(2)Film the recovery of the weapons.

(3)A C-17 will deliver the missile with WMD to Logan INtl Airport.

(4)Freepers will have organized a parade/demonstration.

(5)Documentary Centigrade 911, (subtitle "When lies ignite")

15 posted on 07/21/2004 9:55:36 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Zhangliqun

I don't think it's true. No matter how advanced Iraq's nuke program was, nobody believed they had missiles fitted with warheads--we don't even think that Iran is that far, and they are farther than Iraq ever was.


16 posted on 07/21/2004 9:55:44 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: ScaniaBoy

Thanks. Yep, wait & see....


17 posted on 07/21/2004 9:56:21 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Better fight the WOT in the Iraqi "holy" city of Najaf, than in the American holy city of New York.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Isn't it plausible that Saddam could have purchased nukes on the black market? He had literally semi-truckloads of cash, so much easier than developing your own program.


18 posted on 07/21/2004 9:57:04 AM PDT by third try
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To: Right Wing Professor
On the other hand, if Saddam had nukes, why is Kuwait City not a glowing lump of glass?

Maybe because radiation fallout isn't very conductive to oil drilling?
19 posted on 07/21/2004 9:58:11 AM PDT by Nataku X (You hear all the time, "Be more like Jesus." But have you ever heard, "Be more like Muhammed"?)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I gave it a 10% cheance when I first heard it; I've upped that to 20%.

I give it a zero percent that these are working nukes. That does not mean they aren't intended to be nukes, but I doubt they were finished, complete products.

If I had to bet on a long shot, I'd say they are some black market gizmo, possibly fake.

Most likely they are the product of bad reporting.

20 posted on 07/21/2004 10:06:20 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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