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Isaac Asimov - How I, Robot gets the science-fiction grandmaster wrong.
Slate ^ | 7/16/04 | Chris Suellentrop

Posted on 07/20/2004 9:43:06 AM PDT by jalisco555

Isaac Asimov was the steak-and-buffet restaurant of American authors: What he lacked in quality, he made up for in volume. If you didn't like what he was serving, you could wait a few minutes for him to bring out something else. By the time he died in 1992, at the age of 72, Asimov had published more than 470 books, ranging from science-fiction classics to annotated guides of great literature to limerick collections to The Sensuous Dirty Old Man, a defense and celebration of lechery. "His first 100 books took him 237 months, or almost 20 years, until October 1969, to write," his New York Times obituary observed. "His second 100, a milestone he reached in March 1979, took 113 months, or about 9 ½ years—a rate of more than 10 books a year. His third 100 took only 69 months, until December 1984, or less than 6 years." By the end, Asimov achieved the Grand Slam of book writing, turning out at least one volume for each of the 10 classifications in the Dewey Decimal System.

The thread that connected this prodigious output was Asimov's role as a teacher, "the greatest explainer of the age," as Carl Sagan called him. Whether the subject was science, Shakespeare, or the Bible, Asimov was a popularizer who wrote with clarity and concision. Even in his science fiction, the work for which he will be most remembered, Asimov was as much an explainer as a storyteller, an advocate for science and reason over mysticism. In fact, the rap on Asimov the fiction writer is that his stories are too simple, too obvious, too easy to be the stuff of great literature. In Wired, the science-fiction writer Cory Doctorow recently described Asimov's work as "proto-fiction … from a time before the field shed its gills and developed lungs, feet, and believable characters." True. But if Asimov is so easy, why do so many people—including Alex Proyas, the director of I, Robot, and the movie's screenwriters, Akiva Goldsman and Jeff Vintar—keep getting him so wrong?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: asimov; irobot; robots; sciencefiction; scifi
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To: jalisco555
...Asimov was as much an explainer as a storyteller, an advocate for science and reason over mysticism.

I seem to remember reading several sequels to the Foundation Trilogy that were extremely "mystical"--Gaia hypothesis or some such nonsense.

21 posted on 07/20/2004 10:11:54 AM PDT by Faraday
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To: FormerLib
On an SF-related note, make sure you buy the DVD set for the Firefly series. It is simply some of the best Science Fiction ever to grace American Television.

I've just worked my way through all five seasons of Babylon 5 on DVD and am planning to take up Firefly soon.

22 posted on 07/20/2004 10:12:56 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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To: RightWhale
Just a thought--if the movie were the same as the book, why bother with the movie.

"Hunt For Red October" is a great example of the movie following the book closely and I enjoyed both reading the book and watching the movie tremendously.

23 posted on 07/20/2004 10:13:01 AM PDT by tentmaker
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To: tentmaker
I am no purist. I liked the film. Yes, most of it was utterly formula. Will Smith is easy on the eyes and ears. As a software person, I liked little touches like the robots downloading the upgrades to their programs every morning. And the Three Laws Operating System, basic or advanced.

I have this compliment (I am assuming it goes to Asimov): it made me think not so much about robots, but about totalitarianism.

24 posted on 07/20/2004 10:13:43 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Faraday
I seem to remember reading several sequels to the Foundation Trilogy that were extremely "mystical"--Gaia hypothesis or some such nonsense.

He tried to unify his Robot and Foundation story lines toward the end. It didn't work very well. He should have left well enough alone.

25 posted on 07/20/2004 10:14:20 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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To: jalisco555
...why do so many people—including Alex Proyas, the director of I, Robot, and the movie's screenwriters, Akiva Goldsman and Jeff Vintar—keep getting him so wrong?

Could it be because they are arrogant and stupid?

26 posted on 07/20/2004 10:15:11 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: WritableSpace
I believe they're also making Enders Game into a movie as well.

I believe Wolfgang Petersen, who did Das Boot, is supposed to direct it. I hope they get it right.

27 posted on 07/20/2004 10:16:46 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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To: Gingersnap
The level of detail was great!

Did the computer graphics clearly indicate proper usage of nested for loops? (Hoaky arrays of objects.)

28 posted on 07/20/2004 10:17:01 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Gingersnap
The level of detail was great!

Did the computer graphics clearly indicate proper usage of nested for loops? (Hoaky arrays of objects.)

29 posted on 07/20/2004 10:17:04 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: jalisco555
What makes a great science fiction book and a great movie are different ascetics. The best science fiction is thought provoking, even mind expanding. The best movies scare us, or make us laugh, or cry, or cheer. Unlike science fiction, they require no thought or effort from their audience. They are essentially an emotional, not intellectual experience.

This doesn't exonerate directors from butchering science fiction however. Asimov is probably rolling over in his grave at the message this movie sends. It is the opposite of Asimov's I, Robot. Guess I can wait till this one comes to TV.
30 posted on 07/20/2004 10:17:43 AM PDT by monday
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To: bondjamesbond
OTOH, these guys make my vacuum cleaner

Which model do you have? And, how well does it actually clean?

31 posted on 07/20/2004 10:17:51 AM PDT by Ignatz (Helping people be more like me since 1960)
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To: Faraday
Gaia hypothesis or some such nonsense.

It's science fiction...suspend your disbelief. It's no more nonsense than psychohistory itself.
32 posted on 07/20/2004 10:18:03 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: tentmaker

How about selling a music production with a book? Some of the best music is written for movies and recalls various passages in the book.


33 posted on 07/20/2004 10:19:55 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: FormerLib

I have to agree. I liked how the show combined the American West with Space Travel..


34 posted on 07/20/2004 10:20:20 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: tentmaker
Asimov was a pacifist. All his fiction was structured by having the characters talk to each other and solve the problem by discussion and speculation, not violence. The Movie substitutes violence (blowing robots away) for discussion for the problem solution.
35 posted on 07/20/2004 10:20:58 AM PDT by AMiller
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To: JenB

Hey, I know who wrote Starship Troopers. I just said I liked it! I thought at least some of Heinlein's major concepts got through and camp part didn't bother me. Let's face it, most of the time the author's essential point never makes it to the screen.

Paycheck, Minority Report, Total Recall. Vaguely entertaining movies but not the best adaptations.

But the robots are still cool.


36 posted on 07/20/2004 10:24:22 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: jalisco555
Dick's Do Androids Dream... was not butchered IMO. Altered perhaps, but still a fairly interesting adaptation in Blade Runner.

As for other sci fi being handled poorly ...I agree. An example: Although Alien is considered a classic film sci fi thriller, it author, O'Bannon, was furious about the rewrites for the film.

37 posted on 07/20/2004 10:26:56 AM PDT by eleni121 (John Ashcroft: on the job and doing a great one!)
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To: BikerNYC
I hear now that a movie version of the Foundation trilogy is in the works.

That series is in print in Arabic and is titled "Al-Queda"!

38 posted on 07/20/2004 10:27:23 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Gingersnap
Best sci fi novel-to-movie recently: Starship Troopers!

Surely you jest. That was a criminal adaptation of a great piece of sci-fi literature. There should have been executions over what they did to Starship Troopers.

39 posted on 07/20/2004 10:28:26 AM PDT by Melas
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To: jalisco555
If I recall correctly, Asimov himself remarked that his novels (or SciFi novels, in generally) usually couldn't be effectively made into films because all of the "action" is conceptual and intellectual.

The Lord of the Rings series was fairly easy to transcribe to film because there's so much action and character interaction in it to move the plot logically along.  The biggest problem was technological - being able to recreate Tolkien's vision.

I have a tough time trying to imagine being able to pull off a transcription of, say, the Foundation series in the same way as LOTR because most of Asimov's plot movement takes place in-between character interactions.  It's always been remarkable how little the plot moves in quotation marks in most of his books.

40 posted on 07/20/2004 10:28:35 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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