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OFFICIALS URGING BAN ON SAT SCORES FOR COLLEGE ADMISSION
WMCA-NY ^ | 7.20.2004

Posted on 07/20/2004 8:57:41 AM PDT by KMC1

NEW YORK - A new bill has passed the New York state legislature that would prevent state or city university systems from requiring SAT or other "high stakes" as major criteria in determining who gets accepted.

College officials are urging a gubernatorial veto. Their argument is that it then makes state politicians in charge of admissions policy - as opposed to objective testing standards.

Officials are arguing that the decision on admissions and standards should be left in the hands of the trustees.

The law would directly impact the debate over the use of standardized tests in also determining promotion and high-school graduation.

Some activist groups have been pressuring lawmakers to pass a law lifting the Board of Regents policy requiring high-schoolers to pass five exams in order to earn a diploma. They also wish to halt Mayor Bloomber's controversial use of standardized exams to decide on promotion of third graders.

(Excerpt) Read more at kmclive.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: academia; admissions; college; communism; corruption; education; sat; stupidity; testing; tests; university
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1 posted on 07/20/2004 8:57:42 AM PDT by KMC1
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To: KMC1

let the cronyism begin.


2 posted on 07/20/2004 8:59:31 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: KMC1

Do away with the whole grade system! :>


3 posted on 07/20/2004 9:00:16 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: KMC1

And the next trick will be to get colleges to stop having any sort of rating system - if a student enrols, the student gets a degree...


4 posted on 07/20/2004 9:01:01 AM PDT by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: KMC1

Kool, man. Like, wow. Dydn't want t& learn them numbers or period chart, anyway.


5 posted on 07/20/2004 9:03:11 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Then I say unto you, send men to summon ... worms. And let us go to Fallujah to collect heads.")
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To: KMC1

The dumbing down of America continues unabatted.


6 posted on 07/20/2004 9:04:34 AM PDT by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: KMC1

If some kind of admissions standards are dropped, New York Universities might as well have diplomas printed on a roll that students just tear one off when they leave.


7 posted on 07/20/2004 9:16:56 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Blue Scourge
The dumbing down of America continues unabatted unabated.
8 posted on 07/20/2004 9:18:12 AM PDT by TheBigB (Ask me about my friend Larry, who lives in my eyebrow.)
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To: Blue Scourge

Bring back corporal punishment. It will solve most of the problems.


9 posted on 07/20/2004 9:18:25 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: KMC1
The only solution is this: every child born in America is immediately awarded (1) a Social Security Number, (2) a Ph.D., and (3) an annuity indexed to inflation.
10 posted on 07/20/2004 9:19:34 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: KMC1
Contrast this with the merit based universities of a poor nation like India. Which is lifting itself up by dint of harnessing it's native brain power, not disrespecting the more able students.
11 posted on 07/20/2004 9:23:25 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: trebb
And the next trick will be to get colleges to stop having any sort of rating system - if a student enrolls, the student gets a degree...

Worked for Chelsea Clinton.

12 posted on 07/20/2004 9:23:39 AM PDT by hattend (I'm on the Mark Steyn Ping List! I'm somebody!)
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To: KMC1

I see this as a direct assault on home-schoolers.


13 posted on 07/20/2004 9:27:05 AM PDT by I-53 (What does Charlie the Tuna know, and when did he know it?)
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

14 posted on 07/20/2004 9:37:04 AM PDT by mhking (John Kerry & Al Gore: Cut from the same tree.)
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To: KMC1
prevent state or city university systems from requiring SAT or other "high stakes" as major criteria in determining who gets accepted.

See, there are still men getting into college. We just can't have this. We drug the little buggers, we shunt them off into slow-learning classes, we eliminate recess and then expel them when they fidget in their seats, we get rid of all the male teachers so there is no one on the whole campus but the janitor who will give them a break, and after all that some of them still beat girls on these damned standardized tests.

The only solution is to substitute subjective criteria like grades, which we can control. If we allow these male children to be judged by machines that read their answers directly, there's no telling how high they might score.

Over 30% of last year's entering freshman class consisted of these males who somehow got through the screen. The drugs didn't take, their parents schooled them on the side, they didn't point their fingers at any other kids and say "bang," so we couldn't even have them arrested.

It's obvious now that the only way to keep men out of the middle class in the next generation is to limit the selection criteria for college to those things that are firmly under the control of the K-12 Education Corps.


15 posted on 07/20/2004 9:39:22 AM PDT by Nick Danger (Be shuh two zee da nuuuu Ahnold Schwohza-naygah moooovie)
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To: TheBigB

Gah...thanks for the catch.


16 posted on 07/20/2004 9:44:03 AM PDT by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: KMC1

They might as well drop them since most schools are in an intellectual tailspin anyway. I tutor high schoolers in math who get all A's and B's and then crash and burn on the PSAT and SAT. These kids are literally clueless. They not only don't know most of the grade level content they should know but they have no idea of testing strategy.

When I tutor home schoolers, however, it's all good. These kids work hard and really want to understand the concepts. Their parents work like dogs too.

In another decade or so, home schoolers will just take over all positions of real power in the country. They'll be the only ones who can figure out a 15% tip in their heads.

Marching Moron Alert


17 posted on 07/20/2004 9:44:37 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: KMC1
Celebration of mediocrity
18 posted on 07/20/2004 10:04:25 AM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: KMC1

Any private college that implements this ought to hear from its alumni.

We have to hit them in the pocketbook to get their attention.


20 posted on 07/20/2004 10:10:51 AM PDT by Republic If You Can Keep It
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