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1 posted on 07/19/2004 10:54:02 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

He who blesses Israel will be blessed. He who curses Israel will be cursed. I have no use for the morally sick decision of the Presbyterian Church. Israel is not the greatest source of evil in today's world.


2 posted on 07/19/2004 10:56:33 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: JohnHuang2

I wish I wrote this. This is right on the mark.


4 posted on 07/19/2004 11:05:25 PM PDT by marron
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To: JohnHuang2
The Presbyterian Church has all the grace and coordination of a hog on ice. It's a great shame so many of the historically Christian churches have turned hysterical churches in their effort to appease the graetest number.

The lines continue to be drawn, with graeter and more certian clarity.

5 posted on 07/19/2004 11:12:47 PM PDT by Adrastus (If you don't like my attitude, talk to someone else.)
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To: drstevej; RnMomof7; JohnHuang2

Has this been pinged to GRPL for comment? It certainly surprised/shocked me. Please say it ain't so.


6 posted on 07/19/2004 11:16:04 PM PDT by Dahlseide
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To: JohnHuang2

I totally agree. PCUSA has gone off the deep end whether on this or ordaining homosexuals; however, we must be careful not to lump PCA churches in with PCUSA. Presbyterian Churches of America are very conservative. I would encourage any members of churches in the PCUSA to start a movement to transfer to PCA. That's my opinion anyway. And, I'm a Southern Baptist, so don't accuse me of pushing my denomination.


7 posted on 07/19/2004 11:36:33 PM PDT by dmc8576 (High School Students for Bush - 325 members ....Students for Kerry - 20 members. ENOUGH SAID!!!)
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To: JohnHuang2; xzins

Amen and Bravo!


9 posted on 07/20/2004 1:31:14 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: JohnHuang2

This is a good article.

I am PCA. Presbyterians believe in Covenant Theology and they are not dispensationalists. Very simply, we believe that Jesus gave us a new covenant to replace the old one that God had with the nation of Israel. We believe that in Christ there is no "Jew nor Greek". We as Christians are co-heirs with Christ and are the new Israel.

So, if the nation of Israel were honestly doing evil things, we would condemn them and not give them our blessing because they were somehow "special".

But in this case, the PCUSA is wrong. Completely and utterly. They are not following Biblical principles of "Thou shalt not murder" which their own Westminster Confession of Faith says in part: "The sins forbidden in the sixth commandment are, all taking away the life of ourselves, or of others, except in case of public justice, lawful war, or necessary defence; the neglecting or withdrawing the lawful and necessary means of preservation of life."


11 posted on 07/20/2004 5:43:33 AM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: JohnHuang2

Sigh.....My wife and I are PCUSA members. I thought we had dodged a bullet when the gay ordination thing did not pass. This is just as bad. Maybe the PCA is where we belong.


16 posted on 07/20/2004 7:30:35 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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He would surely not be with the Jews' enemies...

Of course he would be, as a recruitment pitch and to push the point that the only way to everlasting life is through him. Didn't he often go where he was not wanted?
18 posted on 07/20/2004 8:00:45 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: JohnHuang2
Great article by Mr. Prager.

I think I'm going to cry now.

30 posted on 07/20/2004 12:12:30 PM PDT by SaveTheChief (Bach gave us God's Word, Mozart gave us God's laughter, Beethoven gave us God's fire.)
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To: JohnHuang2

The Bible that these Presbyterians read is not my Bible.

The religious values that these Presbyterians hold are not my religious values.

Ps 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, The people He has chosen as His own inheritance.
(NKJV)
Ps 41:13 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel From everlasting to everlasting! Amen and Amen.
(NKJV)
i am a conservative,reformed,five point christian.
many of my buisness associates are orthodox jewish.
we pray together and study the bible together.i pray for their conversion daily and witness Christ to them constantly.if it is the Lord's will,they will accept Jesus as the messiah.
that being said the liberal denominations are a poison that pervades the church.
the only help for the presbytarian name is the OPC.
Re 14:19 So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses' bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.
(NKJV)
Re 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
(NKJV)
Joh 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
(NKJV)
GODSPEED!
SOLI DEO GLORIA!


40 posted on 07/20/2004 2:19:13 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 (saved by GRACE and GRACE alone)
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To: Tragically Single

ping


41 posted on 07/20/2004 2:26:22 PM PDT by tuliptree76
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To: JohnHuang2
In the name of Jesus, it has called for the economic strangulation of Israel.

Simply a PC PR move. A respectable church would instead be calling for the economic strangulation of the U.S. government, or the State in general.

52 posted on 07/21/2004 5:28:02 AM PDT by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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