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To: NJ_gent; All
Yet another blatant violation of the Bill of Rights:


Article [IV.]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
25 posted on 07/19/2004 2:03:51 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (The RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.)
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To: appalachian_dweller
Believe me, I most certainly sympathize with you. At the same time, my sense is that we do license people to fly aircraft and such. Cars can certainly be just as dangerous when you consider the sheer volume of vehicle traffic. Are we to have unlicensed people flying aircraft? How about operating eighteen-wheelers with HAZMATs? Thus far, we seem to have drawn the line at operating a car or motorcycle. If you must be licensed (given permission) to do something, then you're talking about a privilege which is subject to terms and conditions. One of the conditions laid out to us is that we agree to submit to certain types of searches while operating a motor vehicle.

Now, we can talk all day long about whether the state even has the right to force people to get a license to drive a car, but once you agree to that, you've agreed to the terms laid out. I don't like it any more than you do, and the libertarian side of me cringes whenever I see something like this, but I honestly can't say I know a better way to do things, and I've always found it hard to render criticism of something I, myself, cannot improve upon.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
36 posted on 07/19/2004 2:22:07 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: appalachian_dweller
Article [IV.] The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If they can just stop you to check your drivers license, what if they come across a FOID card that has also EXPIRED. I mean if the cop just happens to see a glimmer of a FOID card while you are pulling out your drivers license, that would seem to indicate to him that maybe there are weapons in the vehicle, so it is only logical to assume that maybe you have a weapon at home too.

In Illinois, if you have guns in your home without a VALID FOID card, that is now a Class 4 felony. So, it is now possible they can use the expired FOID card as 'probable cause' to search your house for weapons and you be an instant convicted felon. Feel safer now?

40 posted on 07/19/2004 2:29:27 PM PDT by bjs1779
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