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To: appalachian_dweller
Article [IV.] The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If they can just stop you to check your drivers license, what if they come across a FOID card that has also EXPIRED. I mean if the cop just happens to see a glimmer of a FOID card while you are pulling out your drivers license, that would seem to indicate to him that maybe there are weapons in the vehicle, so it is only logical to assume that maybe you have a weapon at home too.

In Illinois, if you have guns in your home without a VALID FOID card, that is now a Class 4 felony. So, it is now possible they can use the expired FOID card as 'probable cause' to search your house for weapons and you be an instant convicted felon. Feel safer now?

40 posted on 07/19/2004 2:29:27 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779

Looks like we need permission for more and more these days.
And we give,allow them to steal, almost half of our money to do this to us.
Is something wrong with this picture?


43 posted on 07/19/2004 2:34:02 PM PDT by chuckwalla (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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As a person who lives in Illinois I'm not bothered by them stopping people in Missouri. If they start doing it in Illinois, that's another matter...

Those *&^% FOID cards bug me a whole lot more than traffic stops.

69 posted on 07/19/2004 3:28:51 PM PDT by Mini-14
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To: bjs1779
>> In Illinois, if you have guns in your home without a VALID FOID card, that is now a Class 4 felony. So, it is now possible they can use the expired FOID card as 'probable cause' to search your house for weapons and you be an instant convicted felon. Feel safer now? <<

Damn. That sounds like registration to me. SCARY! Here in Virginia, we don't have to have any type of card to own firearms. In fact, in Virgina, you can walk around with a loaded sidearm in open view legally.

Virginia Law §18.2-287.4 Carrying loaded firearms in public § 18.2-287.4 Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalty It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded firearm on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public (i) in any city with a population of 160,000 or more or (ii) in any county having an urban county executive form of government or any county or city surrounded thereby or adjacent thereto or in any county having a county manager form of government. The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid permit to carry such firearm or to any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. For purposes of this section, "firearm" means any; (i) semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol which expels a projectile by action of an explosion and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine which will hold more than twenty rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or; (ii) shotgun with a magazine which will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered. Any firearm carried in violation of this section may be forfeited to the Commonwealth pursuant to the provisions of §18.2-310. The exemptions set out in §18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section.

Don't think I'll be going to Illinois anytime soon.
94 posted on 07/19/2004 4:17:59 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (The RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.)
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