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China delivers blunt warning to U.S.
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Posted on 07/16/2004 6:36:27 AM PDT by milestogo

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To: robowombat
Thank you so much wombat, I didn't know about this Ted Galen Carpenter and his knee-jerk isolationism, you have furthered my education. It is truly astonishing that there are otherwise educated people who still think we can pull up the drawbridge, retreat behind a mythical "Fortress America" and thumb our noses at the world.

I guess it is of a piece with those folks who like to say: "the hell with what they do in Washington, if they come for my [insert here] I'll let 'em have it!." By the time the enemy is at your doostep, it is way too late to do anything.

61 posted on 07/16/2004 7:42:24 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: Badeye

Yes, but China is on the rise, gobbling up more and more concrete, steel, and gasoline. Chinese consumption is one of the reasons that gasoline prices have risen so much. And the more they open their economy and make it more like capitalism, the stronger they'll get. This is one country I almost wish would stay strictly communist because it will keep them weak.

IMO, we should be worrying more about China than a pissant country like Iraq. They're not much of a threat now, but they certainly have the potential, particularly if we come to loggerheads over resources like oil.


62 posted on 07/16/2004 7:42:24 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Joe Brower

Bush could have supported Taiwan's referendum on independence. Instead, Bush came out against the declaration of independence. Bush has continued the Clinton policy of appeasement and money over morality.


63 posted on 07/16/2004 7:42:39 AM PDT by AUH2OY2K
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To: aruanan

Bush would likely approach that toughness as much as the puppet masters let him.

He would likely have to subtract out the nukes for Russia, Iran, Syria, Cuba, France (which I believe will be the European nation Dimitri Duduman 'saw' join Russia and China against us--though no one has said so and Duduman forgot which European nation it was), North Korea and some say--Japan.

Kerry, of course, would not no such pluck nor values. He'd be more likely to OFFER Hawaii.


64 posted on 07/16/2004 7:42:42 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

STRONGLY AGREE.


65 posted on 07/16/2004 7:43:34 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Joe Brower

China delivers blunt warning to U.S. - again? I guess it was time for their monthly threat to blow up the world.


66 posted on 07/16/2004 7:45:13 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Quix

Thanks. I know you have a soft spot in your heart for our Asian FRiends :0)


67 posted on 07/16/2004 7:47:22 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Stop thinking, and end your problems. — Lao Tzu)
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To: milestogo
Mark Twain once said "You can't ignore the elephant in the parlor forever". China has apparently never heard of Mark Twain.

The same mentality that will look you in the eye and tell you that Tianiman Square never happened is trying to tell you that Taiwanese independence never happened. Taiwan exists as a free and independent capitalistic nation whose mere existance, not to mention prosperity, is a daily reminder to the world that China is impudent. The result is that China has resoprted to chest beating and feces throwing to try to accomplish what is is militarily unable to do. They have also failed to recognize that these tactics, so effective internally, have no positive effect on the American cowboy.

68 posted on 07/16/2004 7:48:14 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I just want to see the rightous indignation and wanted to see if you would excuse racism as long as it was directed to certain groups. You didn't disappoint. And I guess your standard has been set, someone can use the "N" word without being a racist as long as they only use it once and don't show you a pattern.

And I noticed your girl friend didn't show. Also predictable.

69 posted on 07/16/2004 7:49:36 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: TXBSAFH

". My thoughts is it will be conventional and they will try to cost us as much lifes as they can hoping we back out."

There only hope is to try and knock out a few Carriers. If they are successful in that then we could have problems defending Taiwan.


70 posted on 07/16/2004 7:54:32 AM PDT by Rebelbase (To democrats the truth is personal.)
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To: Gone GF

"IMO, we should be worrying more about China than a pissant country like Iraq. They're not much of a threat now, but they certainly have the potential, particularly if we come to loggerheads over resources like oil."

I've always been of the opinion that we should have killed Saddam in reaction to his attempted assasination of a former President of the United States. All after that was delaying the inevitable, delaying what should have been done in 1993.

I'll also add that Iraq's postion, geographically, makes it far more important to us strategically than anything currently related to China.

If we are sucessful in creating a viable democracy in Iraq, future generations will benefit from it far more than any legislation we could ever pass.

Just my opinion. I'm not discounting China as a potential future threat.


71 posted on 07/16/2004 7:55:46 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Protagoras

Hey, like I said, you wouldn't understand the differences. I didn't call you a racist until after probably your 10th time using stereotypes and slurs - directed specifically at me - it established a pattern of conduct that I found appalling.

However, you will also notice that the poster in question didn't attack me for calling him on it - while YOU couldn't control yourself and just made it worse.

There is no comparison in the two instances. But again, I wouldn't expect you to be able to comprehend or understand the differences.


72 posted on 07/16/2004 7:56:25 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Stop thinking, and end your problems. — Lao Tzu)
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To: Protagoras
Why wasn't I notified about this, Protagoras?

Good catch, though! Keep up the good work!! ;-)

73 posted on 07/16/2004 8:05:09 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Dead Corpse
>>>>>>Didn't we once have the same concerns, and the same doubts, about Japan? How did that work out?<<<<


74 posted on 07/16/2004 8:15:23 AM PDT by DTA
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Oh,,,I understand completely. I understand hypocrisy when I see it.

I also understand lying when I see it, like what you just described what I did.

I didn't do the things you say, and I'm not a racist by any stretch of the imagination. The word I used in jest, which I apologized for, was innocuous and not racist. I only apologized to assuage your liberal sensibilities. None of my posts were removed for the use of the word despite numerous complaints to the mods by you and your girlfriend. The reason is, they didn't think the word was racist, for good reason, it's not.

Now please don't call me a racist anymore, it is a despicable epithet and used as a weapon by liberals, like you.

That's my last word about it on this thread, it's off topic and a bore to others, and I apologize to them.

75 posted on 07/16/2004 8:16:18 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Why wasn't I notified about this, Protagoras? Good catch, though! Keep up the good work!! ;-)

I didn't know you wanted to be on the "hypocrisy" ping list. I'll be sure to add you.

76 posted on 07/16/2004 8:18:14 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Protagoras

Just like the word used by the poster on this thread is an unacceptable word, so is the word you continually use to refer to me.

The ONLY difference is, on Free Republic bashing American Indians is ok - and I will continue believing that until the day that derogatory slang terms used to insult American Indians are treated the same as derogatory terms used against others...

So just because the mods didn't do anything about you using racist derogatory words to refer to me matters little. What matters is, it allowed me to see the real you, and what I saw, and continue to see, disgusts me.

Have a nice day.


77 posted on 07/16/2004 8:22:25 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Stop thinking, and end your problems. — Lao Tzu)
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To: Quix
Are you suggesting China could land...infantry on our continent via COSCO containers? In secret? That this undetected army could somehow provision themselves? Furthermore, this unprotected army could somehow manage to survive an air and armor assault?

Part of the absolute domination of our military has to do with our ability to project force where we want to, rapidly. Our carrier groups, even a single one (much less the 7 in the Pacific at the moment), can destroy basically every other military's air and sea forces quite rapidly (possible exception of England). Once those are gone, ground forces, even an army the size of China's, are doomed.

China dos not have the capacity to attack in this manner, much less defend against it.

78 posted on 07/16/2004 8:38:01 AM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: Quix
The Beijing leaders

REALLY DO NOT

CARE

that much

if they lose even 800,000,000 or more people in a war.

It's wouldn't be 800 million ... more like 1.2 billion. Plus without those 800 million they still would lose their industrial base currency and so much face that it would be not worth it.

In 10-20 years when they think they can win ... they WILL strike.

79 posted on 07/16/2004 8:45:28 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
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To: Protagoras
I didn't know you wanted to be on the "hypocrisy" ping list. I'll be sure to add you.

Your assignment today is to write a fifty word essay on how you have come to find yourself in charge of an "hypocrisy" ping list. ;-)

80 posted on 07/16/2004 8:48:40 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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