[P8riot]

Could this have anything to do with it.

[longshadow]

junque science ping

[philosofy123]

Junk science! 70% of all the so called scientists that signed the "global warming" document are not climatologists, or even scientists. 70% of the signers were “liberal” medical doctors who had never taken one single course in weather measurements. The real doctor of climatologists’ assays was neglected in favor of junk science by gynecologist liberal environmental nutcases.

How difficult is it to recognize that taking temperature measurements from a weather balloons above the surface of the earth is more accurate than taking temperature measurements at the surface where the asphalt and concrete have great influence on the readings?

[ex-Texan]

Global warming is a reality but it's all part of cyclic earth changes driven primarily by (1) Sun activity (i.e. sun spots and coronal ejections) which has a huge effect on underwater volcanic activity, (2) The earth's magnetic field which waxes and wanes in very long cycles (see NYT article posted today), (3) Space weather which is variable and unpredictable and places the earth at risk from asteroids and comets from far-flung regions of space, and (4) Ocean currents like El Nino which move millions of miles of sea water (and fresh water from melting ice caps) and dramtically effect weather patterns on all the continents.

I believe personally we are now in the late stages of a 60 year global warming period and will soon be entering a period of rapid global cooling. The last time this happened on earth was about 11,500 years ago. When global cooling begins to happen it will happen rather quickly (do you recall mastadons quick frozen eating wild flowers?).

SUV's and fossil fuels contributed slightly to global weather shifts but not all that much. An argument can be made that we all would have been better off if Detroit had stopped engineering design improvements with the "flat head V-8 engine" because we would not be so dependent on Middle East oil. Oh, well . . . Time marches onward.

To find out more about severe weather shifts go see "The Day After Tomorrow" which has broken records world wide and has sold over $ 530 million tickets. The film exaggerates the weather cycle scenario but is rather eye-opening.

The planet earth lives its own cyclical life as it travels through space like a huge space ship. We are just along for the ride like fleas on a sleeping cat.

Everything is in God's hands and subject to his will.

[Boss_Jim_Gettys]

"The "hockey stick," created by researchers Michael Mann of the University of Virginia and Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia, is used by the IPCC and environmental activists as proof of human-induced global warming."

The "hockey stick," created by researchers Michael Mann of the University of Virginia and Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia, is used by the IPCC and environmental activists environmental researchers as proof of human-induced global warming justification for research money.

[MainFrame65]

"Climatologist Exposes Cracks..."

I thought that this was going to be illegal (Except for plumbers....)

[VRWC_minion]

mark

[cogitator]

This is the report referenced in the article:

Breaking the 'Hockey Stick'

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba478/

NATIONAL CENTER FOR POLICY ANALYSIS
Breaking the “Hockey Stick”
Brief Analysis
No. 478
Monday, July 12, 2004
by David R. Legates

[rwfromkansas]

Impressive.....the NCPA isn't some low-grade organization.

[justa-hairyape]

The earth is primarily a water planet. The vast majority of energetic input occurs from infrared light emitted by the sun that ends up being absorbed by the earths oceans and earths atmosphere. What happens on land or in man made vehicles has at best a minor affect on this planetary system. There are also probably time lags in cause and effect. So you cannot look at what is happening in nature now and assume that current energetic input has created the present day situation. For example, we just past the longest day of the summer up here around 32 degress north. The two hottest months of the year here occur after the days start getting shorter.

[Captain Beyond]

bump

[SunkenCiv]

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The Real Environmental Crisis: Why Poverty, Not Affluence, Is the Environment's Number One Enemy by Jack M. Hollander

Global Warming in a Politically Correct Climate: How Truth Became Controversial by M. Mihkel Mathiesen foreword by Zbigniew Jaworowski

The Skeptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of the World by Bjorn Lomborg

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