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The Utter Waste of Recycling
Right Wing News ^ | 07/13/2004 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 07/13/2004 7:43:36 AM PDT by crv16

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To: grellis
I don't think that the land could be used for any kind of building.

Spot on. As the garbage decomposes, it generates methane gas which is narcotic, toxic and flammable. In Austin, TX, they had to condemn an apartment complex and put up a chain link fence around it because of this. The complex was built over an old landfill, and methane started oozing up from the ground. This caused a couple of flashover fires (puff of fire, kind of like when a little too much gas escapes before you get the heater lit, and was a real hazard to small children because of the narcotic and toxic effects.

We currently generate an incredible amount of garbage, especially when you consider than in the 1960's, when I was a kid, people bought a lot less stuff and all of the soft drink and milk bottles were hard thick glass and washed and reused. We buy a lot more pre-packaged items. We also double and triple package more now to make things tamper proof. It's a real problem, particularly in densely populated areas.

21 posted on 07/13/2004 9:03:57 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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To: William Terrell

I haven't seen bricks, but they do make recycled plastic 'lumber' primarily for decking. It is about twice as expensive as wood, but it doesn't need to be sealed and lasts longer. Its a legitimate use, but only financially feasible because of the massive subsidies to recycling. Now they have mountains of plastic, and still can barely compete with lumber on price.


22 posted on 07/13/2004 9:04:56 AM PDT by blanknoone (The NAACP --->NAADP National Association for the Advancement of the Democrat Party.)
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To: crv16
Recycling advocates say the reason for the decline is that the need to recycle, debatable at best, no longer gets the kind of attention it used to when it was fashionable to shame everyone into thinking they were saving the environment by separating their paper, glass, plastic and aluminum.

A "Forward this to your friends later" BUMP!

23 posted on 07/13/2004 9:06:59 AM PDT by Pagey ((Hillary Rotten is a Smug and Holier- than- Thou- Socialist))
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To: William Terrell

Yeah but your hazard insurance would sky rocket because your house could melt on a real hot day.


24 posted on 07/13/2004 9:11:20 AM PDT by ampat
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To: Richard Kimball

But there's NO shortage of landfill land, whatsoever...a mythology that began with the "garbage barge" in the 80s that wasn't allowed to dock anywhere.


25 posted on 07/13/2004 9:12:39 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: crv16

I'm glad recycling is on the decline. It is nothing more than one of the "sacrements" of the secular religion that has been foisted on us at the detriment of Christianity.


26 posted on 07/13/2004 9:14:20 AM PDT by A. Patriot
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To: crv16
"Recycling could be America's most wasteful activity."
27 posted on 07/13/2004 9:18:06 AM PDT by untenured
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To: Strategerist

There was a post yesterday about "longwall" mining, in which seams of coal are removed and the ground above subsequently collapses when supporting columns are removed. It seems to me that packing the voids with compacted recyclables and miscellaneous debris would prevent the collapse and remove the major objection to this kind of mining.


28 posted on 07/13/2004 9:26:21 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: bigeasy_70118
A woman came to my office to show us how to use the copier we had just bought. She lied in Boulder. After showing us how to use all the new fancy features, she asked us where our recycling bin was. I told her that loggers needed jobs so we didn't recycle. Her mouth just dropped open.
29 posted on 07/13/2004 9:29:33 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: JimRed

The post I mentioned I saw yesterday, posted by Willie Green; link here, if it works:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1168397/posts


30 posted on 07/13/2004 9:37:12 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: crv16
Back in the old days when Commies were red, not Democrat and gay meant happy not queer, we used to take paper and metal to the local scrapyard and get some change for smokes unless the Boy Scouts were running a paper drive, no glossy please.

Milk bottles were sent back to the dairy to be used for the thousandth time, soda and beer bottles were returnd to their respective brewerys to be filled again and soap came in boxes.

Leafy garbage and eggshells went to the compost heap, bones and meat went to the dog, other junk was stored for the ragman and the rest was burned once a week in a 55 gallon drum in the backyard.

Very little was picked up at the curb and maybe one trash can a week went to the landfill.

31 posted on 07/13/2004 9:43:04 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: crv16

Depends on the situation. Here in Merrimack, the landfill is full, so the trash has to be hauled to a more distant landfill at some per-pound rate. They divert significant quantities of paper, plastic, glass, steel, and aluminum from having to add to the weight of material that they have to pay to haul, instead selling it to interested buyers such as asphalt plants (glass), blanket manufacturers (plastic), and so on.

There is also no town-funded pickup service, you either hire a private hauler or bring it to the facility yourself.


32 posted on 07/13/2004 9:43:48 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: crv16
Recyling is another liberal concept

Scrap yards can work well recycling, but municipal landfills do not. Those who want to recycle and make a few extra pennies a week can do so, but those who are required to do this and that won't take the time. Scrap steel, scrap aluminum, still worth something even after shipping if you have enough of it--even from Alaska.

33 posted on 07/13/2004 9:50:30 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: JeanLM
Tell me how many people have died from dumps and land fills in the last 30 years.

First I need for you to tell me how many people live on reclaimed dump sites.

As for the "forseeable" future, I do keep in mind that I have children who, God willing, will one day have children of their own who, God wiling, will have children of their own, etc. I don't see the population of the US shrinking drastically in the forseeable future, if it declines at all. More people, more trash. More landfills, less land available for living. So what if I recycle? Its not like I'm doing a bad thing, and I'm not wagging my finger at those who choose not to recycle. But I don't for a second believe that landfills can be safely reclaimed.

As for unwanted babies and mobsters, they are dead, or soon dead, once they hit the dumpster or landfill. They didn't die from living there and nobody claimed that they did. I bet their life expectancy would be drastically reduced, however, if that's where they were living.

34 posted on 07/13/2004 10:08:19 AM PDT by grellis (All the iron turns to rust, all the proud men turn to dust)
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To: crv16

Like Penn and Teller said on their Showtime show (Bull***t!), it's all about control, and people telling others what to do.


35 posted on 07/13/2004 10:09:56 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Richard Kimball
As the garbage decomposes, it generates methane gas which is narcotic, toxic and flammable.

Garbage also generates a tremendous amount of heat as it decomposes. This past winter I forgot to set my dumpster out one week. Midway into the second week, there was steam coming out of it. The steam was so thick I actually thought the dumpster was on fire. We had to leave the lid open until the next trash pick-up day. The squirrels and raccoons had a very good week.

36 posted on 07/13/2004 10:14:06 AM PDT by grellis (All the iron turns to rust, all the proud men turn to dust)
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To: A. Patriot
I recycle, therefore I'm a bad Christian? Surely that is not your implication.
37 posted on 07/13/2004 10:16:11 AM PDT by grellis (All the iron turns to rust, all the proud men turn to dust)
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To: grellis
You can't live on "recovered" landfill land. You can't grow anything on it. I don't think that the land could be used for any kind of building.

It happens quite often. The major precautions involve methane detection/venting and foundation design which accounts for settling.

38 posted on 07/13/2004 10:28:04 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Obi Wana hock a luggi)
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To: Professional Engineer

Suitable for living? I'll err on the side of caution. If I were offered the 10,000 square foot home of my dreams, free of charge, but it happened to be on a reclaimed dumpsite, I wouldn't budge. Not for a second.


39 posted on 07/13/2004 10:32:21 AM PDT by grellis (All the iron turns to rust, all the proud men turn to dust)
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To: grellis
Suitable for living? I'll err on the side of caution

So would most people. Commercial or retail use is much more likely.

40 posted on 07/13/2004 10:34:28 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Obi Wana hock a luggi)
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