Defense of Marriage Amendment debate on CSPAN2 LIVE THREAD

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[abnegation]

And so it begins.....

[lugsoul]

The difference is that conservatives recognize that the application of the coercive power of government for the imposition of values is a very dangerous thing not to be undertaken lightly.

The issue is not what you believe in or what you don't believe in. The issue is the appropriate use of government power, and how centralized or de-centralized it should be.

[EternalVigilance]

And the family...is the most important one, the one that gives vitality and substance to our civilization.

Indeed.

[goldstategop]

Our state judiciary didn't exactly rush to stop the lawlessness and chaos. They took their time dealing with it. So yes, that's why we come running to Congress to put a stop to this attempt by the Left to overturn our laws at their lesisure. As for freedom, there can be no freedom without law.

[lugsoul]

Just exactly how long do you think the amendment process takes?

I have no affinity for brick walls. I'm done. In lieu of any further discussion on this topic, please just send me a list of the five next most important issues you deem worthy of a Constitutional amendment. To maintain consistency, make sure that none of them involve laws which have been stricken down by activist judges.

[geopyg]

"Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law. An oligarchy, the rule of few over many."

I don't have the exact quote - but sounds about right what Jefferson would think.

[goldstategop]

I agree the Constitution should seldom be amended. It has been amended only 27 times in our nation's history. Its not like conservatives have gotten a single amendment through Congress since the GOP gained a majority 10 years ago.

[EternalVigilance]

The difference is that conservatives recognize that the application of the coercive power of government for the imposition of values is a very dangerous thing not to be undertaken lightly.

American conservatives, cut from the same ideological cloth as the founders, have never had a problem with legislating against evil.

That's what laws are for: the protection of society from the effects of the actions of evil-doers.

[OXENinFLA]

Got it.

[lugsoul]

Great logic. Why don't we just dispense with state governments altogether? We can just have every law passed by the Constitutional amendment process!!! Then we won't have to worry with any of the untidy aspects of republican government that you find so bothersome.

[Eastbound]

Everyone should get a hard copy of Sen. Jon Kyl's (R-Ariz)his testimony. He's slicing to the core of how homosexual activist groups and their supporting groups are using a handful of judges in each state to subvert the will of the majority in each state.

[maica]

The people of Mass have to wait two years to override a rogue court. There was nothing in their Constitution about gay marriage being a right up until now.

^^^^


Maryland actually has the words "Man and "woman" in its definition of marriage, so 9 same-sex couples have now gotten the support of the ACLU to challenge the law in Maryland.

[OXENinFLA]

Was "Lambda-Lambda-Lambda" on that list????

That was a joke..............think "revenge of the nerds".

[goldstategop]

Why not pass the amendment and let the state legislatures debate the issue? The amending process itself lets Congress kick the subject down the field and let the states settle it. If its unnecessary, then it will die before it ever becomes a part of the Constitution. I don't see what is anti-federalist about it.

[lugsoul]

Bold statements. And profoundly incorrect.

[Huck]

I believe in equal marriage rights for ALL people. I don't care whether you are a straight man or a homosexual man, you should have the right to marry a woman. And I don't care if you are a straight woman or a homosexual woman, you should have the right to marry a man.

Now someone tell me how that's discriminatory? Seems perfectly fair and square to me.

[goldstategop]

The Constitution itself guarantees every state a republican form of government as you well know.

[lugsoul]

Sure you do. Now you are just being obtuse.

Your post amounts to "why not let the states debate a Federal amendment, then they've had their say - and if 75% of the states decide that your state can't give inheritance rights to domestic partners, too bad - you lose."

I'm going to assume you know enough about "Federalism" to know that this ain't it. Please don't prove me wrong.

As I said, I have no use for brick walls. I'm done. Enjoy your windmills.

[StriperSniper]

Ahhh....he must have said Lambda Legal or something like that, like I said, I wasn't paying close attention. I had forgotten about that movie, "Booger" was funny. :)

[Huck]

What's your deal? The Constitutional amendment process is completely legitimate, and the American people are capable of handling it. This is all part of the process.

[lugsoul]

I know that. You want to subvert that by having them all controlled from DC.