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A Dime's Worth Of Difference? (Liberal Republicans Say "NON!" To Tax Cuts)
OpinionJournal.com ^ | 7/11/04 | Pete Du Pont

Posted on 07/11/2004 9:26:00 PM PDT by goldstategop

An important and serious argument is going on in Washington about whether taxes on Americans' incomes should stay where they are or dramatically rise, and whether government spending should continue its accelerating growth. We know what Democrats think. They despise tax cuts and believe government spending should be higher. Washington Republicans, on the other hand, are unsure of themselves. They used to be for lower taxes and smaller government; now they seem to want bigger spending even if it means higher taxes, abandoning Reagan conservatism for '60s liberalism. In other words, this is a battle for the heart of the Republican Party; the outcome matters, and it seems to be in doubt. With the help of three liberal Republicans (Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island), and one who should know better (John McCain of Arizona), the Senate, with 51 votes, adopted a rule that if passed in the House will end all the Bush tax cuts and ensure that no new ones are enacted.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: axixofevil; dupont; gop; liberalism; rinos; taxcuts; taxreform
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To: goldstategop

Oh, glorious... a Bush-bash fest in the middle of a critical election season.

1992 redux...


121 posted on 07/11/2004 10:49:20 PM PDT by Tamzee (Flush the Johns before they flood the White House!)
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To: Tamsey

Hey, do us all a favor, go flush yourself down that toilet bowl.


122 posted on 07/11/2004 10:51:24 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: RockinRight
I am a bit green (as in unexperienced, not enviro-wacko) on the fiat currency issue. I have a basic understanding, but I've heard that trying to change it would kill the economy for 100 years. Fill me in.

I would like to direct you to a book, "The Creature From Jeckyll Island." And, there is another book which whose title I can get and post.

We are being ripped off; ownership of the nation's assets is being transferred to large organizations, while the citizenry is becoming a debtor class. This is only possible because banks themselves have an endless supply of money to lend out, being stuffed with fictional "deposits," created at will by the Federal Reserve. This fictional money, lent at low rates to the population, encourages the population to assume too much debt. Only a winding down of the actions of the Federal Reserve "Bank", a non-governmental entity created to circumvent the Constitution and print fictional money, will stop the process.

We have a choice to make. Either we support the principle that the money system can't be rigged, and fight out way out of this rat hole, or we go into debt slavery. I don't know whether 100 years is what it would take, but the fight has begun.

A new right should be added to the constitution: The right to declare bankruptcy. Because when the government itself is in default on its obligations to uphold the constitution, and maintain a sound currency, then bankrupcy becomes a simple, unalienable right, like all the others the government studiously ignores and fails to uphold.

123 posted on 07/11/2004 10:55:29 PM PDT by Tax Government
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To: Reagan Man

I guess I drew some blood...


124 posted on 07/11/2004 10:57:03 PM PDT by Tamzee (Flush the Johns before they flood the White House!)
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To: goldstategop

How would you propose taking the GOP back from the Country Club RINOs, who now apparently own the whole thing lock, stock and barrel? Would a conservative caucus operating within the Republican Party be a possibility? It could function much as the embryonic Republicans did within the Whig Party of the 1850s, ultimately leaving the dead shell (of RINOs) behind once critical mass was achieved.

Reagan's 11th commandment is dead. The Country Club RINOs stabbed it in the heart in 1998 during Clinton's impeachment. There were numerous prior attempts upon its life from the same gang starting in the inglorious reign of the ultimate empty suit, George Herbert Walker "Read My Lips" Bush. I think it is high time (actually way past high time) to realiize that the Country Club RINOs are mortal enemies of Reagan's legacy every bit as much as the Dhiimicrats are and behave accordingly.

While it is most likely not in conservatives' best interest to dump Bush this year by voting third party - unless you're in a hopelessly Dhimmicrat state - voting against Senate RINOs like Snowe, Collins, Chaffee, McCain, Hatch, Specter, and their counterparts in the House might help send a message to Rove and the gang that they should start paying attention to their base instead of bending over to please folks who will rape them at every opportunity. Bush and Rove are rank amateurs compared to any Dhiimicrat when in comes to pandering. I wonder why so much time and money has been spent doing so. As furious as I am with Bush 43 and his outright liberalism, I would expect a Kerry regime to end the republic altogether - with the Partriot Act being used to root out any opposition from conservatives, shut down churches, etc.

As you mentioned in a previous post, there are a huge number of people who are receiving more in government largesse than they pay out in taxes which, as Toqueville warned, is the harbinger of doom for the American republic. Eventually Atlas will indeed shrug, and the whole miserable house of cards will tumble into chaos.


125 posted on 07/11/2004 11:03:01 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: Tamsey
Wrong.

This isn't a Bush-bash fest, pinhead.

It's a discussion of important issues related to the future of the GOP and political conservatives in general. I understand why you object. You're not a conservative. You're a self proclaimed pragmatist.

126 posted on 07/11/2004 11:04:32 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man

Throw a stick into a pack of dogs and the one that yelps is the one ya hit...

Some conservatives learned from 1992, some are begging for Clinton Reloaded.


127 posted on 07/11/2004 11:10:51 PM PDT by Tamzee (Flush the Johns before they flood the White House!)
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To: Reagan Man
Ronald Reagan was a PRAGMATGIST.Was he NOT Conservative enough for you and is your nic a sham?
128 posted on 07/11/2004 11:14:29 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Capitalism2003
The old exhange rate was around 35-1 I believe. Now, they simply need to calculate the number of dollars in circulation, divide it buy our current gold inventory, and lock the value at a certain number of dollars per ounce.

I did that a few years ago, M1 : 8200 tons in Ft Knox. It worked out to something like $420,000 / oz.

129 posted on 07/11/2004 11:15:45 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Tamsey
The "purists" are never so happy,as when the Dems have control of EVERY aspect of government.They loved the Clinton years so,that they will do EVERYTHING they can,to get Kerry elected for 8 years,to hopefully be followed by 8 years of wee Edwards.
130 posted on 07/11/2004 11:16:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Tamsey

You have a serious problem. People are going to criticize PresBush. Grow some thicker skin, or try posting at Lucianne.com. Might be more your speed.


131 posted on 07/11/2004 11:16:45 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: nopardons
>>>Ronald Reagan was a PRAGMATGIST.Was he NOT Conservative enough for you and is your nic a sham?

Watch out, nopardons is on the loose. Woohoo!

Ronald Reagan was a principled conservative and a pragmatic politician. He was da man!

What is your problem?

132 posted on 07/11/2004 11:19:49 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: nopardons

Ahhhh, I see.... and here I thought it was just an old-fashioned "I'm The Most Conservative Guy Here Cause Look At How Loudly I Whine" pissing contest ;-)


133 posted on 07/11/2004 11:24:03 PM PDT by Tamzee (Flush the Johns before they flood the White House!)
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To: Reagan Man
The problem is that you used the word "pragmatist" as a pejorative,Reagan called himself a PRAGMATIST,and nows you're back peddling as fast as you can,but attempting to insult me for just stating a fact.

I'm not the one with a problem,pet. :-)

134 posted on 07/11/2004 11:24:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons; Reagan Man

Yes, his nick is a sham.


135 posted on 07/11/2004 11:24:46 PM PDT by Tamzee (Flush the Johns before they flood the White House!)
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To: Tamsey

No, you just interrupted their little bitch fest. Another day, another rag-on-Bush thread on FR...


136 posted on 07/11/2004 11:26:08 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Do I need to come in and supervise? ;-)


137 posted on 07/11/2004 11:29:52 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Tamsey

Has been one for a very long time. :-(


138 posted on 07/11/2004 11:30:08 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

If Bush deserves to be bitched at, it's ok for people to bitch at him.

For growing non defense spending at 300% the rate Clinton grew it, I'd say he deserves it.


139 posted on 07/11/2004 11:30:48 PM PDT by Capitalism2003 (America is too great for small dreams. - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

And the little "dears" don't like being hit over the head with facts. hehehehehehehehehe


140 posted on 07/11/2004 11:31:05 PM PDT by nopardons
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