Illarionov Attacks Britain, Vows to Bury Kyoto

The Moscow Times ^ | 07/12/04 | Simon Ostrovsky

[RightWhale]

A Liberal against Kyoto? Where's my scorecard?

[proxy_user]

Someone should tell Blair that the Russians are IN FAVOR of global warming.

Their country would be very valuable if it wasn't frozen solid.

[take]

carbon dioxide emissions <P.Its all make up

[Redcoat LI]

"President Vladimir Putin's personal adviser on all things economic"

"It is not clear how much sway Illarionov has with Putin, a fellow St. Petersburger."

Huh?

[nothingnew]

In a six-hour diatribe, Andrei Illarionov

What? He's taking lessons from castro?

FMCDH(BITS)

[McGavin999]

If Russia is smart they won't sign that treaty. There is nothing in it for them and basically, it won't do anything anyway. Actually, I think that the EU has figured out what a boondoggle it is and would love to have a face saving way out.

[Southack]

The Rusky gets it.

[swilhelm73]

Illarionov, an outspoken and respected liberal economist

Traditionally, a liberal is someone who supports capitalism and individual freedom. Since the modern use has been corrupted you will often hear the term "classical liberal". However, in Europe, and I believe especially Russia, the term liberal retains its old meaning.

[fat city]

and using "bribes, blackmail and murder threats" to force it to ratify the Kyoto Protocol.

Isn't that historical SOP for the Russians?

[fat city]

And if he was threatening to bury Kyoto, shouldn't he have followed traditional Russian procedure and banged his shoe on the podium?

[RightWhale]

I can work with that, thanks.

[SunkenCiv]

the Kyoto Protocol, which will die if Russia does not ratify it.

one quibble -- the Kyoto Protocol was born dead.

Drill the ANWR!

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George W. Bush will win reelection by a margin of at least ten per cent.

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[Bonaparte]

"...Illarionov, who brought in well-known skeptics to discredit the findings of the International Panel on Climate Control, the basis for Kyoto..."

GO ANDREI GO!!!

[COEXERJ145]

Traditionally, a liberal is someone who supports capitalism and individual freedom. Since the modern use has been corrupted you will often hear the term "classical liberal". However, in Europe, and I believe especially Russia, the term liberal retains its old meaning.

In Russia, a liberal is someone who is for capitalistic reforms and free market. A conservative in Russia is a communist. Liberal and conservative have different meanings depending on where one is discussing.

[Bonaparte]

"...the EU has figured out what a boondoggle it is and would love to have a face saving way out."

I think they knew all along and were just hoping we would let ourselves get pressured into it. But Clinton, Bush, Congress, Russia and China have no intention of crippling themselves to appease the chicken little lunatics. The only true believer left is Al Gore, who makes Lyndon LaRouche look sane.

[struwwelpeter]

Global warming sounds like a good idea in many parts of Russia.

[swilhelm73]

How is that different from what I said?

[COEXERJ145]

It isn't. I was just adding a bit too it.

[adam_az]

"A Liberal against Kyoto? Where's my scorecard?"

Over there, "liberal" means like Adam Smith etc. Classical liberal, as opposed to our neo-Liberals which are really so-called "Progressives."