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This is not a rant , but the opinion of just one Piper.

We had those horrid little keywords, thank goodness Jim the GentleMan got rid of that and helps us as he does.

But I am a little concerned for anyone coming to this thread, be it the alphabets, journalists, etc. will not take us seriously if we tout Eol/Daleel and I for one was glad to see them gone.

Many of us feel that those two and any unsourced info has no worth for our fight on the WOT. I appreciate all of the translations for they are straight from the jihad mouths and websites from SP and Jill. They are not meanderings or predictions ya know?

Also, when we get info posted from the likes of Steve Quayle, etc without reliable sourcing or reputation that also bothers me, for then we do look like a group of tinfoil wannabe's instead of the cybersurfing slueths we aim to be.

Again just my opinion.

UPDATE: I ditto your sentiments JP, but should have read your post a bit more carefully.

Unfortunately, "eom/daleel" are (AND THIS IS AN OPINION) are low-life, low-level jihadis and/or wannabes and/or jihad supporters and/or imitators. It may be one person or more than one person. No tinfoil necessary for that one.

On the rest of your post, I do agree.

It's fairly easy for me to bow to your sensibilities on such matters.

I'm not sure how your post relates to mine at 168, though.

I was encouraging FREEPERS to do some analysis and put some number estimates to data. And, I was encouraging FREEPERS to collect first hand data. I'd consider that well sourced. I think any alphabet group would at least find it interesting if not impressive in a sense--at least for amateurs.

imho, of course.

I think it's admirable for us to aspire to being cyper sleuths--especially those of you doing so much grunt work with the search engines.

I think it's also crucial--for humility reasons, for one--TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE *ARE* amateurs.

Perhaps some warrant a more lofty label--Jill etc. who have been confirmed by some officialdom. AND, I think you, granny et al do honorable, laudable, worthy work of value to us and potentially our nation.

We realistically are a group of lay persons with an above average inclination toward paranoia, obsessiveness etc. who are trying hard to blunt the advantages of the enemy in our resisting terror. It's a worthy task and no other personality types are likely to bother, much less to this extent.

AND, having been involved in highly classified communications and seen government efforts up close and personal--I'd guess we can do as much good as a lot of government orgs, sadly!

Alas, we can be as diligent about sourced data as possible; we can be as 'professional' in our wording and analysis as possible . . . etc. . . . and most alphabet orgs would still look down on us rather disdainfully. Arrogance is epidemic in our society and particularly in such organizations. In far too many cases, if THEY didn't come up with it--then it's not worth consideration. So we needn't fool ourselves.

We can be comforted that Old Sarge et al have some sympathy for our efforts here and therefore we have channels to those who can do something about what we find and our analysis. That's probably the best we can routinely hope for. That's enough.

Just, imho.

I am with the folks who want to see EOM/Daleel posted. I am not saying that it is credible, but then neither is most of stuff we get from Jill's site either. And that is not Jill's fault...It is just the way it is out there. So we get the info and we put the pieces together as best we can. That is all we can do here. Take the good and the bad and try to make sense out of it.