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Adult Children Speak Out About Same-Sex Parents
via the Corner at NRO | Maggie Gallagher

Posted on 07/10/2004 2:11:58 PM PDT by annyokie

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To: sweetliberty

I guess I missed it.

I thought you sounded a tad sanctimonious. I apologize if I was wrong.


161 posted on 07/11/2004 1:23:48 PM PDT by annyokie (Sure, take all the umbrage.)
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To: annyokie

Do any of you remember the thread in the last few days that named the 67 Senators that were not on board with the President concerning the Marriage Sanctity Act?

I've searched and haven't been able to find it.


162 posted on 07/11/2004 1:29:21 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: LadyPilgrim

You might try over at The Corner section of National Review on Line.

You'll have to scroll for ever, but they usually have everything.


163 posted on 07/11/2004 1:31:37 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: tuesday afternoon
But most divorcing couples are not in that situation.

How do you know?????????

There are no statistics that I am aware of......because in any state with no-fault laws, "incompatability" is the grounds.

And from my personal experience with divorcing and divorced friends, the vast majority are not merely unhappy with some aspect of their life situations and are unwilling to stick it out? Heck that described me, I was unhappy with the aspect of my life situation that included going to the emergency room, and having a gun put to my face. You bet I was unhappy.

Getting a divorce on the grounds of abuse or adultery involves public police reports or lots of money for private investigators, or both. No-fault laws have eliminated those obstacles, thankfully.

So in answer to your ridiculous question: Do you deny that most marriages ending in "incompatability" do so because the participants are merely unhappy with some aspect of their life situations and are unwilling to stick it out?

YES. And for the reasons I expressed above and in previous posts. Having to admit to being abused or cuckolded is embarrassing for most normal people.

I won't deny that many folks abuse the system just because, but I disagree that MOST people getting divorced do so.

You have every right to dislike and disapprove of divorce, but remember, you've got no knowledge of the circumstances behind it.

Please don't take offese, this is not personal, but I've been there, done it, until you've walked in the shoes of someone like me.........STFU.

164 posted on 07/11/2004 1:33:56 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's driving has killed more people than second hand smoke)
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To: annyokie

I do not presume to judge anyone. That is not my place. But I do believe that we should judge what is and is not acceptable behavior in our culture, because it will effect all of us and our future generations. I do believe that there is right and wrong, and if something is wrong, it doesn't matter if 99.9% of the people say it is right, saying it doesn't make it so. I don't believe that God gave us rules to live by to keep us from ever having any fun or to "chain" us to unhappy relationships. He gave them to us as a gift so that we might be able to experience the freedom that can only exist within the boundaries of what He can bless. I believe that God wants to bless us and give us the most abundant life possible and that it grieves him when we refuse that gift, and as a result, heap pain and trouble upon ourselves. I believe it hurts Him in much the same way as it hurts us as parents to give our children the freedom to make their own choices and seeing them make the wrong ones, especially if they do it repeatedly without seeming to learn from their mistakes.


165 posted on 07/11/2004 1:34:41 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: sweetliberty

Please read my post #164.


166 posted on 07/11/2004 1:36:03 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's driving has killed more people than second hand smoke)
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To: annyokie

Thanks!

Tonight in one of our churches here, there is going to be some kind of similcast about this.

I mentioned about the 67 Senators in Sunday School this morning and there was a gasp.
I had nothing to back up what I had said. So I thought I'd be ready to give the info tonight.

It was on a thread here the other day.

Two days?? Three days?? &:-)

But thanks I'll look.


167 posted on 07/11/2004 1:38:17 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: sweetliberty

Thanks.

When you scroll up the thread, you read where I and some others here have been taken to task for advocating divorce in some circumstances.

We all get a bit hot-headed at times, I'll be the first to admit that. I do get ticked when some people presume to know the circumstances of anothers life---especially through the blog-o-sphere.

You are a nice person and I have enjoyed your posts here and elsewhere on the board.


168 posted on 07/11/2004 1:39:03 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: dsc
Same-sex attraction disorder is a mental problem like any other. Sufferers should be pitied, and charity requires that we encourage them to seek help. It is a curable disorder, after all.

Wrong thinkers can insist that right reason requires us to regard it as healthy and good, but they can make no case for that position. The evidence is all against them. And even if it weren't, God's word is against them.

If I remember correctly, the SSAD "phase" was coined her at FR a few years ago.

How long ago was it that the AMA gave in to the Homosexuals blackmailers and took Sodomy off of the list of Mental Disorders? Twenty, 30 years?

Thanks for the post. (That is as far as I have read on this thread.) I am surprised that there are still some people here that think Homosexuality comes from Genetics

169 posted on 07/11/2004 1:40:35 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Gabz
You don't know my life situation. I have never said you should stay in a marriage where you are being physically abused. And I still believe you are wrong in saying that most people do not abuse the system (your words).

I certainly know many people who have divorced, and the vast majority have to do with simple unhappiness, not being slapped across the room.

I'm sorry that happened to you. No one ahould have to put up with that kind of abuse. But does that give you leave to be verbally abusive to me?

170 posted on 07/11/2004 1:41:10 PM PDT by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason.)
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To: Gabz

Amen! Looking down the barrel of a gun is not an experience I want to repeat. Thank God he was too drunk to pull back the slide.


171 posted on 07/11/2004 1:41:59 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: Syncro

That was the APA and it was 20 years ago. There is a tremendous amount of broohaha within the Psychiatric community about this declassification, BTW.


172 posted on 07/11/2004 1:44:12 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: Gabz
hehe ! It sounds like it. :^)

173 posted on 07/11/2004 1:44:38 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (I am the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER ! haha !)
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To: annyokie

Yes, I remember saying that.

Unlike you, I left instead of getting a PFA - actually Delaware didn't have those back then. In all honesty I never called the cops on him, and lied in the emergency room, because I was too embarrassed......I did not want my name in the paper as being a victim of spousal abuse.

It took many years for me to be able to speak about it.

God Bless you for having the sense to get out and protect your children.


174 posted on 07/11/2004 1:46:35 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's driving has killed more people than second hand smoke)
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To: tuesday afternoon; Gabz

You deserve to be verbally abused. You have insulted and belittled people you know nothing about in a public forum.

Didn't your mother ever tell you to be careful what you say, and to whom and where and why?

It must suck to be you.


175 posted on 07/11/2004 1:46:48 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: Gabz

I know what you mean.

TG, most of the time when he was loosing it, the kids were already asleep. I was still on a first name recognize you in the supermarket basis with the cops in Pittsburgh, though.

Who wants to sound stupid about "walking into a door", "gee, that darn dog" insert excuse for the latest black eye or abrasion?


176 posted on 07/11/2004 1:50:54 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: annyokie
I think I've wandered into la-la land.

The only thing I have said is that most people do not leave marriage because of physical abuse. I have never said anyone should stay in a physically abusive situation. But apparently you don't care about the truth, only your perception of it.

My son has to use the computer now, so have at it.

177 posted on 07/11/2004 1:53:05 PM PDT by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason.)
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To: tuesday afternoon

You are entitled to your beliefs. They just don't happen to be the same as mine, which I am equally entitled to hold.

If you feel I was verbally abusive to you, so be it.......but if you reread what I said you will see that I prefaced my comment that it wasn't personal and no offense was meant.


178 posted on 07/11/2004 1:53:06 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's driving has killed more people than second hand smoke)
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To: Gabz

Your disclaimer notwithstanding, it was abusive.


179 posted on 07/11/2004 1:54:36 PM PDT by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason.)
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To: tuesday afternoon
The only thing I have said what a pantload.

Stop trying to hijack threads with your idiocy. Go ahead and hide behind your "son" as a excuse to run off

180 posted on 07/11/2004 1:55:47 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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