Posted on 07/08/2004 4:08:45 PM PDT by truthkeeper
After being inundated with calls from L.A. listeners, Asa Hutchinson has agreed to go on the show. He's on right now, so be there or be square. Will try to type the good stuff while I listen.
No, but you can believe what you wish.
Or is it that there's a complete disconnect in the White House and Bush is completely unaware that Asa stopped the sweeps?
I’m sure he is aware, that Asa did what he did, and I’m sure he did not order Asa to stop them.
Maybe he's not aware that the sweeps ever happened at all?
At first, I’m sure he was completely unaware of the sweeps, until they became national news.
In that case we should be making even more noise.
Yes we should. Unfortunately, it would have little or no effect.
Maybe you believe that Rove and Ridge are pulling a 'Rasputin' and are usurping Bush's authority?
No, I believe they are the most likely ones to tell Asa to halt the raids, if Asa himself did not do it on his own.
My take on it is that it's Bush's wish that the interior sweeps be stopped.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion.
How could it be otherwise?
It could very easily be otherwise. Rove, Ridge and Asa are on Bush’s team, they don’t need to wait for Bush to get involved. They know what has to be done and can and will do it themselves.
So, they're carrying out his wishes?
They're following his standing orders?
They're doing exactly what they believe he would have told them to do had they asked?
So our discussion is semantic.
You weren't implying that Bush wouldn't have ordered the mobile Border Patrol unit to stop its interior sweeps, or that he's upset with Asa for stopping them?
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Speaking of not normally respecting a poster; Poohbah, but I think this really illuminates some serious psychological issues you have with the Republican party.
Apparently the only people that blame the conservatives more are the Democrates. If there is one thing that has made me a conservative more than anything is my complete and utter lack of respect for whiners. I loath pathetic, b*thcy complainers that affix blame to people they don't like even though that person isn't responsible just, for leverage. Reading your post is like being trapped in a NAACP meeting.
You have issues.
The GOP loses because it puts up bad candidates, its there fault. If Kerry loses its not because of Nader, its because of him. If Boxer wins its not because the CA conservatives are self hating, its that what's his name ran a bad campaign against her. If anyone is self hating, if anyone is bent on a circular firing squad it is obvious to everyone but you -that you are the one who insults the people of your state, insults your party, and insults conservatives in general as being "responsible" for every wrong ever done.
Think about it.
Hmmmm, I literally just heard a report on our local news that border agents just rounded up 30 illegals in a safehouse here in Tucson. Frankly I'm sick and tired of the whining coming from Californians as if they're
a) the only ones affected
and
b) as if nobody else knows what's going on.
Give me a break. I've posted before about the ongoing activities I hear and see everyday dealing with the problem and some here just want to ignore it and claim "nothing" is being done or people aren't doing their jobs. B.S.
I don't think Bush would have stopped then. They are irrelevant to the big picture.
I also don't think Bush cares, one-way or they other, if Asa had let them go on.
In the grand scheme of things, they had little or no effect.
The left wing media and pro illegal immigration crowd blew this whole thing way out of proportion, to make happen, exactly what happened; The raids/sweeps have stopped.
The raids/sweeps had very little effect on the Hispanic communities. The activists and the media hyped the stories. They achieved what they wanted to achieve.
The point of this thread, evidently from the tone of the main players thus far in my reading, was for Californians to wail and gnash their teeth that it is THEY and no others who know the problem, and they admonish one and all who aren't in California to shut the hell up. The point about perhaps holding some dem politicians from that fair state to account was then pointed out and you went running off oblivious of the fact that you are only showing that we all are affected and have a right to speak up and opine on the subject.
I know this will sail right over your head, but it had to be said. (And I see some are inanely applauding you. What goofs)
We don't complain as if we are the only ones affected.
We complain more because we have politicians in our state totally stopping the agents from rounding up anybody in our state at all.
That is their job and they can't do it because our politicians listen to Mexico and radicals who shout out racism and a bunch of other bunk.
We for a while had no sweeps, no agents being active in doing their jobs of looking for illegals and removing them. All of a sudden a few months ago the agents got active.
Right away the Mexicans and activists acted up and as I said, our politicians got involved to stop removal of illegals or even to be out there looking AT ALL for them.
I liked the agents doing their job because it put fear in the illegal community and they are far less likely to come here if they feel fear.
The illegals were far more absent after the brief series of sweeps by agents. It works.
Our issue is that our politicians refuse to let agents do their job at all.
We do not feel we are the only ones in the soup here, we are just way extra screwed due to all our liberals and Mexican activists stopping anything that prevents illegals staying here and accessing the public monies.
Asa probably has gotten threats by Mexican mafia cholos throughout Cali and that's why he's probably letting the illegals slide
Here's what Asa Hutchinson SHOULD have said to that KFI howler monkey:
"First and foremost, we will employ any Law Enforcement Technique at our disposal at the time and place where it is effective, legally justified, and minimally disruptive to the Constitutional rights and peaceful well-being of the larger community."
"For the record, the enforcement sweeps and arrests we undertook early this month were planned, authorized and executed even absent the notification or approval of any Los Angeles area AM disc jockeys. All future enforcement actions and strategies will be similarly undertaken without the authorization of AM Radio Disc Jockeys. We, in turn, will not ask to be included in any wacky pranks, Auto Show Remotes or Clever Stunts planned by AM Radio Disc Jockeys."
"Our June sweeps were well planned and authorized under legal authority with actionable intelligence. We have no legal authority to detain, unreasonably search any individual or forcibly enter any domicile at random or based on a targeted ethnicity or geographic location. California has over 13 million citizens of Mexican or other Hispanic heritage and we will not subject those American citizens to special scrutiny and disruption by Federal Agents based on their look, living arrangements or neighborhood."
"Our Enforcement actions are ongoing, they are taken with all care to the rights and privacy of citizens, they will be done in accordance with the law and they will not be subject to the publicity stunts of AM Radio Disc Jockeys. Thanks for taking time out from your Countdown, Mr. Kasem."
I couldn't disagree more.
These sweeps were successful. They should have doubled in size and frequency.
They should be instituted statewide in California and the other 49 states, as well.
Interior sweeps serve to discourage additional illegal immigration. They will not work alone, but only as one of many actions taken in a multifaceted plan to end illegal immigration.
What kind of an administration allows a criminal, illegal alien, minority to force our Nation's law enforcement agencies to terminate an effective program to apprehend them, against the wishes of that Nation's legal citizen majority?
The Republicans caved to the demands of these illegal alien criminals as bad or worse than I would have expected the Democrats to do.
Is it just me or does anyone else find it absolutely amazing that the U.S. government can track a cow born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington, and determine exactly what that cow ate. They can also track her calves right to their stalls, and tell you what kind of
feed they ate. But the US Government is unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around in the country, including people that are trying to blow up important structures in the U.S. My solution is to give every illegal alien a cow as soon as they enter the country.
Well put. Anywhere there is division in our party, the Democrats enjoy and sometimes seek to amplify divisions. I think there's ample evidence for this modest thesis (as opposed to the absurd, or at best poorly phrased, claim to which I replied).
But their exacerbation and delight aren't reason enough for me to stop modestly complaining and being pleased when our government is asked direct questions about what I see as lapses.
Many 'normal' Republicans like me want enforcement of our laws. Some people on this thread seem to think I'm a Buchananite, or someone who calls liberal Republicans RINOs. But I'm not. I understand comprimise and I have never voted for a candidate from any other party than Republican. But CA and AZ are struggling with this burden, and since it's the federal government's job to enforce these laws, all I'm doing is asking that they do so better.
Surely Republicans like me delight in divisions among Democrats. Obvious examples in recent years has been welfare reform, the war on terror, partial birth abortion, gay marriage, etc.
But I'd never claim that, say, the War on Terror was created to seperate Zell-Miller-Democrats from their party. While it may have that effect, it's Bircher-quality thinking to suggest that was part of its genesis.
Not that what Asa said didn't sound ridiculous, but how does telling more and even bigger lies help Bush's re-election chances?
In the grand scheme of things, no they were not and they had absolutely no effect on illegal immigration.
But, you are correct in that they will not work, unless combined with other enforcement actions and that is exactly why they had zero effect.
The media inflated the reaction of the illegal immigrate community to make these sweeps look bad, and it worked.
"A democratic republic is one type of democracy."
The Peoples' Democratic Republic of (any former Eastern Bloc country or China, Vietnam and North Korea) are all sterling examples of such. However, OURS is a CONSTITUTIONAL Republic with many limitations on government, especially FedGov, but a few mandates. One of these mandates is the prevention of invasion by PROTECTING OUR BORDERS AND EXPELLING OR KILLING THE INVADING HORDES. Now, killing the average Mexican illegal would be a bit over the top, so expelling them from WHEREVER we catch them is fine with me. Though killing those of middle Eastern, Chinese, or Muslim extraction would clearly be acts of national self defense. Perhaps some of the troops brought home from Europe and Asia would be better used on the borders.
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