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To: Southack
Sub-orbital and orbital fighters can fly right over the F-22 with impunity already today.

Wrong

That and other missles were developed LONG ago to hit satellites traveling very quickly. And far above a sub-orbital craft's ceiling.

When its own radar is on, for instance, it can be shot down by a HARM variant ground to air or air to air missile

Possible, yet very improbable.

It is also vulnerable to optical-processing missiles (i.e. camera+computer that can "understand" and process images).

Not at night.

So because of that core weakness, the F-22 will have to rely upon *other* American aircraft to protect itself. Other types of American aircraft will have to provide CAP for the F-22

And? That's modern warfare. Why would a craft flying at....let's say 30 miles above the surface, be any more protected from missiles? Do you have any idea how fast a Pheonix missile can cover that distance? At Mach 5+? And this is a missle deployed im 1974????

76 posted on 07/08/2004 5:33:16 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: Shryke
"Wrong That and other missles were developed LONG ago to hit satellites traveling very quickly. And far above a sub-orbital craft's ceiling."

Incorrect. The ASAT has been out of production for decades and the F-22 couldn't carry it even if was in our arsenal.

Firing an ASAT from a non-F-22 platform likewise shows that the F-22 itself can't handle the sub-orbital problem, per my original post, too.

81 posted on 07/08/2004 5:49:11 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Shryke
It is also vulnerable to optical-processing missiles (i.e. camera+computer that can "understand" and process images). - Southack

"Not at night."

On the contrary, night vision is a mature technology.

82 posted on 07/08/2004 5:50:12 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Shryke
"Why would a craft flying at....let's say 30 miles above the surface, be any more protected from missiles? Do you have any idea how fast a Pheonix missile can cover that distance? At Mach 5+? And this is a missle deployed im 1974????"

The long range Phoenix has a terrible combat record (at msot 1 combat kill, if that), and it's doubtful that it can reach up to even the 62.5 mile altitude of current *civilian* technology.

84 posted on 07/08/2004 5:52:08 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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