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Labor laws and personal beliefs collide
The Seattle Times ^ | 7/8/04 | Lisa Heyamoto

Posted on 07/08/2004 8:32:22 AM PDT by ppaul

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To: BibChr
He's endangering other people, Dan, by allowing a 13 year old to operate a backhoe.

Does his insurance company know he's doing this? I suspect they didn't, before now.

21 posted on 07/08/2004 8:54:09 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Modernman

Sentimental reasons your butt! They are exempt because they are not enforceable in any practical sense.


22 posted on 07/08/2004 8:54:34 AM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: ppaul; xzins
Here's a story of a real American patriot, idealistic enough to believe we still live in a free republic.

No, an idealist would not treat his children worse than a regular employer would treat his employees. His disregard for the safety of his children is disgraceful. If he had treated "employees" with as little regard for safety as he treats his children, he'd have his business closed down by Fed-OSHA. He'd have been fined probably about $50,000 for the back hoe incident.

It's one thing to home school your children. Its another thing to use them for slave labor for your business. The safety of children is a "public" concern. Always has been. Always will be.

23 posted on 07/08/2004 8:54:39 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: BibChr
So, every one of you believes it's the role of th..yadda yadda

He should find them work to do more suitable to their ages and the state should just butt out.

SOOOO What part of the above quote from my post don't you understand?

24 posted on 07/08/2004 8:55:02 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: AgThorn; Howlin
I've heard of innocent until proven guilty, and guilty until proven innocent but here we have the media inventing guilty after proven innocent!! Amazing!!

What do you think about a guy who spanks other people's children with a stick?

25 posted on 07/08/2004 8:55:26 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: Modernman

I take it your screen name references your most-recent birth, say, yesterday?


26 posted on 07/08/2004 8:56:35 AM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: ppaul

The rules were the same in California in the early 50s, you just have to be smart enough to keep the "authorlities" and schools uninformed.

I started using power tools by the time I was 5 years old and went to work plastering for my dad when I was 14 durring vacations but I knew the rules and kept my mouth shut and of course never applied for their stupid permit which would have been denied because of the work I was doing.

When I was 12 the kid up the street and I worked on weekends rebuilding D-8 Cats for his father.

I also drove my first flathead rail at Santa Ana drag strip to 128 mph when I was 12.

The authorities can take their safety and stick it where the sun doesn't shine!


27 posted on 07/08/2004 8:56:36 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: BibChr
So, every one of you believes it's the role of the state to dictate what the man does in these cases?

When he commits fraud, certainly. That's the whole basis of our government - enforcement of contracts. If the guy is scamming the workers comp system, as the article indicated, he should be held accountable.

28 posted on 07/08/2004 8:56:57 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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To: ppaul
He has been audited five times since 1990 for such violations as failing to have industrial insurance and inaccurately reporting employees' hours. He was fined $107,000 for erroneously reporting hours for workers-compensation insurance

Seems to me that these are bigger problems for his business than not being allowed to employ his sons at certain tasks.

How again does the Bible command him to commit insurance fraud?

29 posted on 07/08/2004 8:57:01 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: ppaul
...his sons....

Where did he ever get that goofy idea? They actually belong to the government...

30 posted on 07/08/2004 8:57:46 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: Graybeard58

You're right. I caught every part but that last. Read too hastily. I apologize.

Dan

PS -- and I **NEVER** "yadda yadda"!
(c8<


31 posted on 07/08/2004 8:57:50 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: ppaul

Labor laws suck, but this particular guy sounds like a dangerous nut.


32 posted on 07/08/2004 8:57:53 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: sinkspur
He's endangering other people, Dan, by allowing a 13 year old to operate a backhoe.

The words of someone who did not grow up on a farm. Or someone who did not grow up during the 1930's, 40's, 50's, or 60's. We're safer now, right?

33 posted on 07/08/2004 8:57:57 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ClintonBeGone

He's probably too lazy to find a real paddle?


34 posted on 07/08/2004 8:58:30 AM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: BibChr
So, every one of you believes it's the role of the state to dictate what the man does in these cases?

Kids aren't qualified, or free, to make their own decisions as to what types of jobs they work in. We rely on parents to make sure they don't do anything stupid. However, laws need to be in place to protect kids from irresponsible parents who would put their kids in a dangerous situation.

Construction is a pretty dangerous profession. There's even more dangerous work out there, though. What if this guy owned a demolition company and had his kids working with dynamite? Would you still be okay with the government not being able to prevent that?

Like I said, I think this guy means well, but he has very poor judgment.

35 posted on 07/08/2004 8:58:41 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Physicist; BibChr
He has been audited five times since 1990 for such violations as failing to have industrial insurance and inaccurately reporting employees' hours. He was fined $107,000 for erroneously reporting hours for workers-compensation insurance

This guy's a crook!!

36 posted on 07/08/2004 8:59:57 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Old Professer
They are exempt because they are not enforceable in any practical sense.

Plus farmers have a very strong lobby.

37 posted on 07/08/2004 9:00:24 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: ppaul; Modernman
Operating any size tractor can be hazardous to one's health. A guy at work flipped his tractor over and was killed clearing his property.

But, many children work in the family business. At the local ACE hardware store by my house, the owner's kid, probably 12-13 years old, runs the cash register on the weekends. The kids seems like she likes running the cash register. Should he be fined for allowing his daughter to come to work with dad?

38 posted on 07/08/2004 9:00:31 AM PDT by dc27
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To: BibChr
"So, every one of you believes it's the role of the state to dictate what the man does in these cases?"

No, I prefer to let ME have 10 minutes alone with dad. He won't be putting his sons at risk like this again.

39 posted on 07/08/2004 9:00:39 AM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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To: dalereed

The harshest rule of gardens is that the weak demand all your work.


40 posted on 07/08/2004 9:01:06 AM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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