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To: Revelation 911; The Grammarian; SpookBrat; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe; betty boop; Dust in the Wind; ...
Absolutely sinister paragraph by Robert Reich, one of Clinton's old cronies, and a regular on different news talk shows.

But then comes Reich's conclusion:

The great conflict of the 21st century will not be between the West and terrorism. Terrorism is a tactic, not a belief. The true battle will be between modern civilization and anti-modernists; between those who believe in the primacy of the individual and those who believe that human beings owe their allegiance and identity to a higher authority; between those who give priority to life in this world and those who believe that human life is mere preparation for an existence beyond life; between those who believe in science, reason, and logic and those who believe that truth is revealed through Scripture and religious dogma. Terrorism will disrupt and destroy lives. But terrorism itself is not the greatest danger we face. This goes well beyond the common denunciation of "fundamentalism" where that term is meant to describe an ideology that seeks the imposition of religious views on non-believers. (That's what Andrew Sullivan means when he uses the term.) It is a denunciation — as a graver threat than terrorists — of people who believe that the world to come is more important than this world, or that all human beings owe their allegiance to God.

Reich has just said that the ultimate enemies are: those who believe in God.

Spread this wide. To TV, radio, print, churches, etc.

It is the MOST sinister comment EVER made for a former national level secretary.

25 posted on 07/07/2004 6:41:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: xzins
between those who believe in science, reason, and logic and those who believe that truth is revealed through Scripture and religious dogma.

Roughly translated Reich could've said "religion is the opiate of the masses"...

Make no mistake, this is a battle between good and evil. Reich, and the terrorists are on the same side.

26 posted on 07/07/2004 6:51:24 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Botox/Breck '04 - "better" governing thru chemicals...)
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To: xzins

xzins,Here's a bump.


27 posted on 07/07/2004 6:52:32 AM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: xzins
But then comes Reich's conclusion:

Quotes are missing so I don't know which are Reich's words and which are interpretive. But one can see that Reich's attack is based on marginalizing and demonizing his opponents, a revered and often-used liberal tactic.

28 posted on 07/07/2004 6:58:34 AM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: xzins

It is a truly chilling opinion piece by Reich...


30 posted on 07/07/2004 6:59:21 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: xzins; PhilDragoo; risk; sport

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NEVER FORGET


When student REICH was at Oxford University with CLINTON he stated that his group of Rhodes Scholars were so upwardly purposeful that...

...they were ABOVE Fighting Terrorism on behalf of the Freedom of Others in Vietnam.

REICH hasn't changed for our new World War against Terrorism on behalf of the Freedom of Others...

...even though it's now our own Freedom that's at
stake here at home.







BUSH's 21st Century =

The Freedom Century


REICH's 21st Century =

The Anti-Freedom Century







The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.


NEVER FORGET

.


31 posted on 07/07/2004 7:07:01 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: xzins

Thanks for the ping.

Many think this, RR was 'brave' enough to publicly state it. Others just live it and seek to implement policy in support of these views.


36 posted on 07/07/2004 7:15:38 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: xzins

"It is the MOST sinister comment EVER made for a former national level secretary."

Bump!


37 posted on 07/07/2004 7:23:52 AM PDT by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: xzins

Jeepers... Thanks for the ping!


43 posted on 07/07/2004 7:49:18 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: xzins
Sounds like Reich and the magician Penn Jillette are on the same pathetic, anti-Christian wavelength (from an interview with Jillette):

People tend to use the word faith as if it’s a good thing and it often is. If you’re talking about it in terms of loyalty and in terms of your friends, then it’s a beautiful thing. If you’re talking about it in terms of optimism and of being happy about life and things will turn out okay, then, it’s also okay. If you’re talking about it in terms of Allah taking care of me in the next life for being a martyr and, therefore, I will fly the planes into the Twin Towers, I don’t know how you can justify that as a good thing.

There is no difference between Mel Gibson’s faith and the terrorist’s faith. We have no evidence that there was a historic Jesus, we have no evidence that he died for our sins. We have no evidence, that we can agree on, for any of that. If you look at the distribution of religion, it tends to be geographical and not intellectual, which is a another discussion.

44 posted on 07/07/2004 7:55:22 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: xzins; Corin Stormhands
"Reich has just said that the ultimate enemies are: those who believe in God."

"Reich, and the terrorists are on the same side."

I am, as usual, in complete agreement with you gentlemen on this, but how is this 'news?'

We've known this for over a decade, have we not?

45 posted on 07/07/2004 8:14:38 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (There are thousands of men of higher moral character than Hanoi John Kerry waiting on Death Row)
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To: xzins
Ping on #44 - a glimpse of how Christians and Jews and the freedom of religion would be esteemed under consecutive Democratic Socialist rule with the likes of a John-John or John-Hillary or J-FK anything government:

_______________________________

"Reich has just said that the ultimate enemies are: those who believe in God."


46 posted on 07/07/2004 8:15:38 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: xzins
Man. I NEVER DID like this jerk.



He's the LAST one getting outta this car:


51 posted on 07/07/2004 8:40:26 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Become a monthly donor on FR. No amount is too small and monthly giving is the way to go !)
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To: xzins
Reich has just said that the ultimate enemies are: those who believe in God.

Consider those who call God "Allah" and believe that everyone who does not call Allah "God" must be killed. Your level of alarm is biased by believing Reich's comment only pertains to God from the Judeo/Christian perspective. Frankly, I'm tired of people using religious beliefs as justification for killing other people whose beliefs are different.

I support the right of every individual to choose their notion of God and worship. So long as such worship does not infringe upon the rights of any other individual to pursue life, liberty and a state of happiness.

57 posted on 07/07/2004 9:35:52 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: xzins

Frightening. Not surprising, but frightening.


60 posted on 07/07/2004 9:47:11 AM PDT by opus86
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To: xzins
Reich has just said that the ultimate enemies are: those who believe in God. Spread this wide. To TV, radio, print, churches, etc. It is the MOST sinister comment EVER made for a former national level secretary. His comment was so close to the truth, and yet so far at the same time. The great conflict of the 21st century will not be between the religous and the secular, but between those who support freedom of religion and those who oppose it. Islamic terrorism and militant secularism are BOTH enemies to freedom of religion. Reich fails to see that he seeks a similar end as the terrorists do, he just employs different methods.
67 posted on 07/07/2004 11:48:47 AM PDT by Grig
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To: xzins
Opps, repost with paragraphs:

Reich has just said that the ultimate enemies are: those who believe in God. Spread this wide. To TV, radio, print, churches, etc. It is the MOST sinister comment EVER made for a former national level secretary.

His comment was so close to the truth, and yet so far at the same time. The great conflict of the 21st century will not be between the religous and the secular, but between those who support freedom of religion and those who oppose it.

Islamic terrorism and militant secularism are BOTH enemies to freedom of religion. Reich fails to see that he seeks a similar end as the terrorists do, he just employs different methods.

68 posted on 07/07/2004 11:50:25 AM PDT by Grig
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To: xzins
It is the MOST sinister comment EVER made for a former national level secretary.

I dunno, look at the garbage spewed by Ramsey Clark. Reich may be like Avis, he's #2 so he tries harder.

83 posted on 07/07/2004 1:37:56 PM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: xzins; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; jude24; ...
~~"This is the MOST sinister comment EVER made..."~~

You could stop right there and be 100% correct.

This is the true enemy -- Godless, socialist wizards.

I've always wondered if Robert Reich was related to Wilhelm Reich, Austrian/communist psychobabbler who ended up in Forest Hills, NY, after a career of trashing God and pushing the occultic idea of the Orgone. They are cut from the same cloth.

http://www.orgone.org/wrbiog/biog00.htm

and

http://www.bioenergetica.com.br/artspubl/cronoli.htm
84 posted on 07/07/2004 2:39:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: xzins
Your #25: Reich has just said that the ultimate enemies are: those who believe in God.

Terrorists commit many murders, terrorists believe in God and life after death, therefore supposedly those who believe in God and life after death are the ultimate enemy, worse than terrorists. Poor logic indeed.

Wonder how he explains his last name? (Just kidding, he didn't choose it.)

>> Quoting Reich: between those who believe in the primacy of the individual and those who believe that human beings owe their allegiance and identity to a higher authority

As the author of the article points out, this is a false dichotomy. Secular and atheistic socialists seek to avoid accountability before God and suppress the rights of the individual under a totalitarian dictatorship. We have seen many examples of this over the last century under Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. Socialists need to admit that they are hostile to freedom and other American values and not try to persuade Americans to follow their lead.

On the other hand, those who champion the rights of the individual to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness also stress our accountability before our Maker. The two go hand in hand. Without that accountability, individual rights tend to get trampled.

So you tend to find both liberty and accountability toward God, or neither.

102 posted on 07/08/2004 12:51:54 AM PDT by White Mountain (By their fruits ye shall know them.)
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To: xzins

That's OK,..those who hate us for that reason, do so because they hated Jesus Christ first, moreso. For every suffering their is a blessing for those who remain in fellowship with Him. We already know from Scripture that considerable suffering will still occur and even more judgment upon those who have rejected Him. The rewards for those who remain in fellowship with Him are great and eternal, while the Lake of Fire is everlasting for those who have never come to Him and reject Him. It's all in the good book.


115 posted on 07/09/2004 4:39:19 PM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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