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1 posted on 07/05/2004 4:02:41 PM PDT by Maceman

She found the movie very compelling and said it has convinced her to vote for Kerry

Then, she has a fool for a client.

27 posted on 07/05/2004 4:25:14 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)

To: Maceman; All

IS more having a contest where he pays off 10 thousand bucks to someone who can prove a lie in Fahrenheit 911? Has someone posted such an article? I remember seeing something about it today, but I can find it.

28 posted on 07/05/2004 4:27:13 PM PDT by faithincowboys

I don't know why you would think an article presenting 50-plus deceits in the movie was not good enough. Perhaps deep down you realize your friend isn't as smart as it seems, at least politically. I have found thus far that people are seeing what they want in the movie and rejecting the rest. Good luck with your friend but my hunch is that she isn't receptive to truth if she cannot see all the lies of moore.

29 posted on 07/05/2004 4:28:56 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain

"WHat is the best refutation of Farenheit 911?"

A Brain!

30 posted on 07/05/2004 4:30:15 PM PDT by razorbak

She is very smart,...

No. She's not.

FMCDH(BITS)

31 posted on 07/05/2004 4:30:29 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")

32 posted on 07/05/2004 4:31:36 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like yellow dogs.)

EXPOSED: The Left's biggest (and we do mean biggest) liar and hypocrite, Michael Moore

Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man by David T. Hardy and Jason Clarke

Oscar-winning filmmaker and bestselling author Michael Moore has made a king's fortune railing against the hypocrisy he epitomizes. In "documentaries" like Bowling for Columbine and the soon-to-be-released Fahrenheit 9/11, and in "nonfiction" books like Stupid White Men and Dude, Where's My Country?, Moore has proved himself over and over to be the most shamelessly dishonest -- if crudely effective -- propagandist since Joseph Goebbels and Nazi documentarian Leni Riefenstahl. Now, in Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man, David T. Hardy and Jason Clarke dish it back hard to the fervent prophet of the far left, turning a careful eye on Moore's use of doctored film footage, manipulated facts, and spliced speeches to tamper with the truth.

"Postwar filmmakers gave us the documentary, Rob Reiner gave us the mockumentary, and Moore initiated a third genre, the crockumentary," write the authors. Drawing from the archives of their hugely popular websites MooreLies.com and MooreExposed.com, Hardy and Clarke intrepidly expose:

• How Moore pulls off a "man of the people" image so at odds with his lifestyle as a fabulously wealthy Manhattanite

• Moore's upper-middle-class origins: how this self-described son of factory workers from Flint, Michigan was anything but

• Why Moore shows the greatest disdain for that which he actually is: "a very rich, pasty white American male"

• Why Warner Brothers, the distributor of Moore's first film, Roger & Me, was forced to pay legal damages to a man portrayed by Moore in a false light

• Why Moore's Oscar-winning anti-gun-rights documentary, Bowling for Columbine, is "as manipulative as totalitarian propaganda"

• How, in Columbine, Moore made Charlton Heston -- once a leader of the civil rights movement, a personal friend of Martin Luther King, and a regular guest speaker for the Congress of Racial Equality -- come across as a gun-crazy racist, all by distorting the evidence and "creative" editing

• Moore the Prophet: how he has fared in some of his high-profile predictions, such as his 2002 declaration that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il was about to have "a change of heart"

• Reported in full: Moore's hateful and racist (anti-white) remarks while on a speaking tour in England just after 9/11

• The hilarious story behind Moore's grandstanding at the Academy Awards -- at which he was loudly booed, to his evident surprise

• How Moore bends the truth to fit his predetermined thesis, creating a false impression for a wide audience that takes in his message

• How Moore's career and public persona fit the textbooks definition of a Narcissistic Personality Disorder, pervading his works with a truly pathological combination of overwhelming egotism and self-loathing

Loaded with the kind of accurate, honest reporting to which Moore is notoriously averse, and laced with the irreverent wit he only thinks he has, Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man will have you asking: "Dude, where's your integrity?"

Be one of the first to own what is bound to be one of the most talked about conservative books of the summer.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060763957/terraspacedock

34 posted on 07/05/2004 4:36:49 PM PDT by truthfinder9

Tell her if she liked that movie, then maybe she can find a classic out on video tape at Blockbluster that she might like as well. It called "Triumph of the Will".

35 posted on 07/05/2004 4:36:50 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)

The movie is what is called a mockumentary Spinal Tap and Best in Show were mockumentaries. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a feeble attempt at humor.

36 posted on 07/05/2004 4:40:22 PM PDT by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)

You have asked us to give facts and truth to a female lawyer. You could have the truth pumped up her a$$ and she wouldn't know it.

37 posted on 07/05/2004 4:40:35 PM PDT by vetvetdoug (In memory of S/Sgt. Segundo Baldanado, Albuquerque, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)

in case nobody else mentions this...

On today's Michael Medved Show, Medved pointed out that about the first third
of the film is one big internal inconsistency.
This is because it spends lots of time and footage telling the audience that Dubya is
just a lackey of The House of Saud.

And then Dubya and Co. roll into Iraq even though the House of Saud is begging them to
not do it!

Also, I've heard a recent issue of Newsweek has a pretty good listing of inconsistencies
in the film.

38 posted on 07/05/2004 4:40:47 PM PDT by VOA

Sell your lawyer friend the Brooklyn Bridge.

She's more than gullible, plus if she sues you, you can use as your defense that she believes lard butt, and the term caveat emptor is not in her vocabulary.

39 posted on 07/05/2004 4:40:53 PM PDT by Dane

41 posted on 07/05/2004 4:47:56 PM PDT by backhoe

Isikoff's refutation in Newsweek--about 2 weeks ago.

42 posted on 07/05/2004 5:04:40 PM PDT by The Great RJ

Buy her a copy of "Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man".

Seriously. I just finished it and she'll see what he's all about.

43 posted on 07/05/2004 5:09:54 PM PDT by Raebie

This is a good project. Convincing your friend not to vote for the dark side :-)

Here's an article that is really good:

MY PROBLEM WITH "FAHRENHEIT 9/11"

44 posted on 07/05/2004 5:14:24 PM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)

Start with the condemnations of the film from those on the left. It immediately puts any partisan arguments to rest.

Hitchens:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

Newsweek:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

Cohen:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19320-2004Jun30.html

Koch:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/6/28/190852.shtml

Stephy also proved him to be lying at the end of their interview on This Week two weeks ago and from what I can gather, Kurtz ground him to pieces on Reliable Sources yesterday. You may need to get transcripts for those. Once she's let all that sink in, hit her with the stuff from the right. All that's left at that point is to ask her if both sides are in agreement that the film is garbage, how can she give it creedence in her decision making process in who to vote for?

46 posted on 07/05/2004 5:22:48 PM PDT by SCHROLL (Liberalism isn't a political philosphy - it's a mental illness)

Tell your friend to go rent Triumph of the Will by Lili Riefenstahl. I am sure many good Germans who did not follow politics closely in the thirties found it very compelling.

Here is a link

Michael Moore: Episode One The Non-Phantom Menace

47 posted on 07/05/2004 5:28:32 PM PDT by trek

Sometimes a picture tells a better story:

" Mr. Bush worked the line, shook Mr. Faulkner’s hand and then proceeded until Linda Prince spoke up. “This girl lost her mother on 9/11,” Prince told the president. With that proclamation the president changed from the leader of the free world to a father and a husband. According to Mr. Faulkner, “The president’s entire expression transformed and he turned and came back against the flow and his eyes locked on Ashley’s.” The president took the time to talk to Mr. Faulkner’s daughter Ashley and give her a warm hug. "The Washington Dispatch

Can you look at that picture and still believe that Bush knew about 9/11 beforehand, or helped the terrorists escape?

49 posted on 07/05/2004 5:41:01 PM PDT by bayourod (Can the 9/11 Commission connect the dots on Iraq or do they require a 3-D picture?)

I definately prefer the Hitchens article from slate. If someone not interested in politics can make it through the slate article, I would then recommend they read ten pages of 56 deceits. Maybe then they can get through it without glazing over.

50 posted on 07/05/2004 5:46:04 PM PDT by Oblongata

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