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The above link is a great place to visit if you want to conduct further research on the history of the sovereign rights of jurors. Another great resource is www.fija.org -- a Libertarian organization devoted to publishing information about the historic rights and responsibilities of juries.
1 posted on 07/02/2004 11:28:33 PM PDT by betty boop
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Don't know if this is your cup of tea; but if it is, I'd be delighted to hear from you!


2 posted on 07/02/2004 11:44:43 PM PDT by betty boop
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The "above link" referred to above is:

http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/history-jury-null.html

The other is:

http://www.fija.org


4 posted on 07/02/2004 11:51:41 PM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Great article, but one quote seems incorrect to me--the statement that there are 5 Constitutional sources of veto power over unconstitutional laws. I believe the Constitution does not give that power to judges. That "power" wasn't established until later in Marbury v Madison (1803 IIRC).
5 posted on 07/02/2004 11:51:43 PM PDT by jammer
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To: betty boop

My sister, an Assistant County Attorney told me that a good way to not get on a jury is to ask the judge if you can do the nullification right away, or if you have to sit through the whole trial... :)


6 posted on 07/03/2004 12:27:07 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: betty boop

The history of Britain and America is full of references about this, from the trials of Penn to the trials under the fugitive slave acts.

Nullification served a dual purpose: First, as a remedy for unjust laws and overzealous prosecutors.

Secondly, the early legal minds of this country were disinclined to demand a juror return any verdict that the juror could not in good conscience support. The "Right of Conscience" is one of our forgotten rights. A definition would go something lik this:

"We would rather a man do wrong, believing what he had done was right, than do right, but feeling in his heart he had done wrong"

I am deeply concerned that there have been a number of jury verdicts overthrown lately.


8 posted on 07/03/2004 1:35:57 AM PDT by djf
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To: betty boop
When I get called for jury duty, I always report for service and write the following on the questionnaire:

"I strongly believe in the doctrine of jury nullification, and look forward to educating my fellow jusrors about their duty to judge the law as well as the facts."

Amazing, but somehow, I never get selected to actually sit on the jury.

12 posted on 07/03/2004 6:25:15 AM PDT by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: betty boop
One of my favorite quotes-

Of the Simplicity of Criminal Laws in different Governments

In republican governments, men are all equal; equal they are also in despotic
governments: in the former, because they are everything; in the latter, because they are nothing.

THE SPIRIT OF LAWS Book VI By Charles de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu

14 posted on 07/03/2004 7:09:44 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Murphy's OTHER law - If things appear to be going well, you've obviously overlooked something!)
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To: betty boop
Phenomenal until the jarring "foundational" in the next-to-last paragraph.

The word you want is "fundamental."
16 posted on 07/03/2004 8:01:07 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: betty boop

"Members of the jury, I asked you to look beyond your prejudices and consider what this evil man did. Yes, we were all stunned that day when millions died due to the tragedy of nuclear weapons exploding in our cities. And while it was true that Muslims committed those acts, the mosque he burned down had no connection whatsoever other than providing a space to work out the details of the attack. This evil man deserves to go to prison for life to show that we Americans are above such vigilante acts of revenge!"

So if you're on that jury, what do you do?


18 posted on 07/03/2004 8:20:48 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: betty boop
Thanks for the excellent post. Currently the court system has lost the idea that a judge is supposed to be a fair and neutral arbitor balancing the prosecution against the defense with impartiality.

However at this time we see judges and prosecutors more often colluding together to "get a conviction" and usurping the rights of the accused. This is exactly what jury nullification was designed to temper. Check this out.

http://www.post-gazette.com/win/bios.asp

Also let me know if you would like free brochures regarding Jury Nullification.

19 posted on 07/03/2004 8:25:35 AM PDT by patriot_wes
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To: betty boop

Bumped and bookmarked.
Good post.


20 posted on 07/03/2004 8:29:05 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: betty boop

Jury nullification is indeed a two-edged sword. The OJ trial is a case, really, of jury nullification. They simply refused to convict based on a general mistrust of the police that his attorneys played on.

The second, civil, trial bothered me in much the way that the re-trial of the Rodney King cops bothered me; it smacks of double-jepardy. Someone didn't like the first verdict, so they re-try the case until they get the answer they want. Actually, I wasn't that happy with the verdicts, but under our system, once the jury has spoken, that it supposed to be the end of it. Re-visiting the crime with federal civil rights prosecution, or a civil suit after aquittal "nullifies" the first jury.

So if juries have almost forgotten that they can nullify laws, lawyers and judges have discovered ways to nullify juries.

Whatever its imperfections, jury nullification stands as the penultimate popular veto (the ultimate being the second ammendment). Both of these are blunt weapons. If things have deteriorated to the point that they are needed, things are in bad shape indeed. But knowing that they exist provides a corrective that more often than not prevents the need to invoke them. And if things really go sour, thats what they are there for. In a democratic republic, laws have to have popular support or they are not law.

That gets spooky in cases where the majority are oppressing a minority, which happens from time to time, where the victim is not very likeable and the perp is a sympathetic figure. In such a case jury nullification could leave the victim without any redress. But this is intended as a corrective against state misconduct, it can't do much in the case where the good neighbors have gone off the track. But that is the weakness of democracy in general, not merely of the jury system.

So if you are a victim and the jury has refused to convict your victimizer, you have the option of leaving it to God, or taking justice in your own hand, either of which stands in its own way as another kind of jury nullification. Judges and police, in the final analysis are our agents, not our rulers.

Or you endure and work to change the hearts of your neighbors. Its slow, but its how people finally change. Thats where preachers and pundits come in to play their role.

You can never achieve perfection, you can only set up enough checks and balances and back doors and parallel routes so that you can't game the system indefinitely, and no one has the absolute advantage.


21 posted on 07/03/2004 8:43:18 AM PDT by marron
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To: betty boop
Such an attitude reveals the mind of a government that does not trust its own people. The inevitable corollary is: The power of the people must be limited in the interest of the greater good of society globalist elites.
25 posted on 07/03/2004 11:42:59 AM PDT by Penner
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