Posted on 07/02/2004 11:15:54 AM PDT by cnkie
John Kerry is a man full of contradiction.
In 1995, already divorced from his first wife Julia Thorne, John Kerry pressed for an annulment.
He didn't bother to tell Ms. Thorne. The church simply informed her by way of a letter that this was the case.
Ms. Thorne had been severely depressed and near suicide when Kerry walked out on her, and in pressing for an annulment he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illigimacy. (one of them was still a teenager at the time)
Compare that with the Jack Ryan Illinois Senate case where both parents were arguing to keep the records sealed so that their 9 year old son could be spared the embarassment of unsubstantiated allegiations.
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You said: Not to defend John Kerry but your headline is not true. Annullment does not in any way affect the legitimacy of the children born to an annulled marriage.
I am not Catholic, but it seems to me that if a marriage is annulled, that means that there never was any valid marriage, otherwise, divorce would be required. If there was never any marriage, then aren't the children illegitimate? I understand that perhaps the Catholic church does not teach this, but it sure seems to be inconsistent, kind of like giving Holy Communion to a pro-abortionist......
Her dad's acts probably made a decision like that at Cannes possible.
BTW, welcome to FR!
Since when is a marriage with children illegitimate?
The church said, "What Marriage"?
I don't get this.
See #37. Another point that is more interesting than his annulment (although it was crass of him to inform his exwife that way)is the story told by Terr-ray-zuh that he wakes up screaming in the middle of the night and has for years, according to his daughters.
I want to know more about that!
Concernig his annulment, the only thing we should be concerned about is whether he actually has one. No date has been published, as far as I know. I heard that it was not ready at the time of his marriage to Terr-ray-zuh.
So -- were they married in the Catholic Church? I think they were married elsewhere, but I've forgotten the details. Were they EVER married in the Church? After the whole annulment thing was strightened out.
THAT is the really interesting point, because -- if not, it is really putting him in an awkward position in regard to receiving Communion.
In any case, his daughters are NOT illegitimate. A church annulment has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the offspring. It is not the same thing as a civil annulment.
Well, those older daughters are campaigning for Mr. Kerry so if they have gotten over it, maybe the general public should leave well enough alone.
We need to remind everyone of all the Kennedy scandals, going back over eighty years.
Why? Because the Demoncrat National Convention is being billed as The Kennedy Family Reunion, and Kerry is their Chosen One.
Teddy Kennedy has reserved 100 rooms for Kennedy Family members for the week of the convention. Teddy is going to be the center of attention, with a "This Is Your Life" type thing done on him, which is usually reserved for the presidential candidate.
Instead of the Al Gore-Tipper Kiss, there will be a Kennedy-Dodd Waitress Sandwich featured. ;)
This is untrue. If an annullment is granted it is the sacrament of Holy Matrimony that is annulled not the civil union, the sacrament and only the sacrament. The Church has always taught that kids have nothing to do with the stupidity of their parents. There status remains legitimate.
Democratic Presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), D-Mass., is seen on his campaign bus with daughters Vanessa Kerry, left, and Alexandra Kerry, right, as they leave Duluth, Minn. for a campaign rally in Cloquet, Minn. Friday, July 2, 2004. He was embarking on a three day bus campaign trip through Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)
How do you annul a marriage when children have been conceived?
What idiot priest athorized this and how much were they paid off?
Fighters shmighters.No F'n kerry way does this make any hay.If you haven't noticed, the democrite doctrine imbedded within the schools, media, and gov't assistance over the years have insured newer more plentiful crop of dem voters.Kerry's probs are nothing compared to theirs and all they see is the money angle to get them out of it.They don't care about a virtuous person only if their ass gets burned.
At least in our state, even if the civil marriage is annulled (usually because of bigamy or because they were married before six months has elapsed from the date of divorce), the legitimacy of the children is unaffected. The law concerning civil annullment in other states may strip legitimacy away from the children of the marriage, but it's not something I'm going to research.
The daughters look like they are bored to tears.
Chewie,
This has been going on ever since Vatican II. There are thousands of Catholic marriages, with many children, that have been annulled. It's easy, if you have the $$$$$ and know which diocese to go to.
I had a neighbor with four kids, she got an annulment, then turned around and married the priest who arranged it for her.
This annulment thing is a scandal to rival the pedophile priest scandal in the Church. No wonder everyone calls an annulment a "Catholic divorce".
The Church does not recognize the sanctity of the marriage and grants an annulment (for myriad reasons) after BOTH parties are questioned very thouroughly about those reasons.
And while there is a fee exacted, it is usually about $250.
I had my first marriage annuled after my CIVIL divorce was final. My children are considered legitimate in the eyes of the Church. The state does not recognize the sanctity of a church wedding, only the civil aspects thereof.
This is an old Catholic-bashing canard.
Children produced during a civil marriage are not illegitimate. That legitimacy is not affected by divorce or annulment.
Similarly, children produced during a valid marriage are legitimate, and that legitimacy is not affected by later annulment. BTW there are civil annulments.
An annulment DOES NOT say "what marriage". An annulment does not "erase" a marriage.
"An ecclesiastic annulment is a declaration by the Church that a marriage which was thought to be valid was not legally(Church law) binding. This might be because of some defect in the consent given on the day of the wedding, or possibly a defect in the psychological capacity of one of the parties.
When an annulment is granted, the Church is not saying that there never was a marriage. The union certainly was a sociological fact, and the memory of it may even be cherished, but the legal(Church law) contract on which it was based turned out to be invalid.
Canon law declares that all the children born of an annulled marriage are legitimate. The unfortunate designation "illegitimate" is hardly used anymore, but it is technically reserved for those born out of wedlock, which is certainly not the case in an annulled marriage."
Now, as far as Kerry's annulment or not, there is no way he can get an annulment without his ex-wife's knowledge. The ex-spouse of anyone who petitions for annulment has certain rights under church law, even if they aren't Catholic.
If indeed he did not get an annulment, then his current marriage (in the eyes of the Church) is invalid and adulterous.
His daughters may or may not have gotten over it, we have no way of knowing.
I do not think much of a man who puts his career before his wife's health, and therefore the welfare of his children. That fact alone is not my primary reason for not voting for him, however.
It is just one of many reasons not to trust him to do what is right for the country. By the time one has reached a certain age, their character has been either strengthened or weakened by the choices and decisions thay have made in life. I doubt Kerry's character, and therefore do not think he is capable of leading, making difficult decisions, nor sticking it out when the going is tough.
Even though I heard he was in Vietnam once.
Your title is spelled wrong and factually incorrect.
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