Posted on 07/01/2004 4:11:35 PM PDT by stands2reason
Edited on 07/01/2004 4:41:08 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
On A Stormfront Teaching Incursion Into Free Republic ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Svyatoslav_Igorevich has taken a keen interest in inducing Stormfront members to register at Free Republic. Free Republic is approximately five times as large as Stormfront.
"How do we penetrate Free Republic?"
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=136636
Over the past few years, Free Republic has gotten less and less interesting. However, many posters and readers at Free Republic are four square behind stopping the illegal invasion from Mexico. This is one topic on which you will be allowed to post at Free Republic.
Free Republic does not suffer criticism of Jewry, so- if you insist on trying to get that topic in, you'll be banned in short order. That is certain.
They will allow minority crime stories, but don't try and headline it "Negro Rapes and Kills White College Girl" etc., cause you'll be history.
I believe you have to be a member for a very brief while- a few days or a week, before you can start your own threads, but you can post from the start.
A few ideas I have on registration names: perhaps it would be wise to use names they can relate to easily...GOPin04, WtheBEST, ConservativeGirl (take up a girl's name as a handle- most politicos are men, and they'll appreciate it LOL), GodBlessUSA, SupportOurBoysInIraq etc. And don't use my examples, cause for certain, Jim Robinson and his mods will soon find out about and read this thread.
Remember. What we consider staid, they consider radical racist. If you find a good minority on White current crime tale- toss it right in there. Then, for good measure- just to show you're not racist (cause some of them will say- "You ONLY ever post black on White crime!")...well, post some White homo principal who's been playing with his students. A digital incursion onto Free Republic can be managed. We have the numbers, and the abilities. But a lot of us will get knocked out as surely as if we had been British redcoats charging in a line, if we don't be sensible and clever.
Remember these pointers before you click that mouse. And ask yourself: "Would Jim Robinson post this?"
If we meet with some successes, we can't come back to Stormfront and say- "I am posting over at Free Republic as "RightWingChick" and here's what I said...", cause their mods will be following our threads having to do with the incursion. We could post threads in which we've participated and let everyone at Free Republic and Stormfront guess, but we simply can't name our names and expect to go undetected. Jim Robinosn will even be looking for increases in registrations, and all those who have registered within 30 days or so of Svyatoslav_Igorevich's http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=136636 JJT's http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=136655 and this Free Republic thread.
I don't understand how your post relates to my remark about the neo-idiots being afraid of "ZOG". Just to refresh your memory the neos use "ZOG" to reflect their belief that everything everywhere is controled by some mysterious Jewish conspiracy. That has nothing to do with the Weaver incident, other than that Weaver himself was neither bright enough, nor well enough educated not to be taken in by the neos. What the ATF did in that instance merely reflected the out of control supervisory situation which existed in that area's ATF offices at the time.
is there something in particular we should be seeing?
If you can't see it, I can't help you.
I posted up to point out that 1) the ZOG acronym has been around for a while (the photo I saw was probably taken in 1987 or so), so it goes back a ways, and 2) that having seen it, the ATF people should have known the guy was a little dingy, a little slow, a little paranoid, or some combination of the three, and so wouldn't be a good "witness" if they needed one against the Covenanters. Certainly not someone that it would be "good government" to grab and start pushing his buttons, about some guy 180 miles down the road.
IOW, they shoulda left him alone to read his Bible with his wife and kids.
All I saw was a nastygram from the landsharks at the WaPo to Neil and Goldi, similar to the stuff JR went through with the LAT a few years ago, telling them never-ever-ever to so much as quote "and" and "the" from their fishwrapper, or even let the magic words "the", "Washington", and "Post" appear together on the same line.....thread and threat letter are here:
Neil and Goldi's turn in the barrel.
'Course, seeing it did make me wonder whether similar letters have gone out to Drudge, DU, Buzzflash, Yahoo!, MoveOn.org, etc. etc. etc........
Hmm, guess I should have been more direct. It is a common neo-idiot (aka "neo-nazi"; aka "white nationalist" etc.) recruiting tactic to attempt to gain sympathy for a peripheral member of a neo-idiot organization, and then watch responses so as to pick out targets for private recruitment either at that time or later. Interestingly, what you are doing here bears a striking resemblance to that sort of activity.
AS FAR AS THE FACTS GO:
In his autobiographical book THE FEDERAL SIEGE AT RUBY RIDGE, Randy Weaver freely admits that he was illegally remanufacturing short barrelled shotguns. He is certainly far from an innocent victim; other than that he was victimized by the neo-idiots with whom he chose to associate. They were undoubtedly the source of the paranoia which led him to attempt to take direct action from a tactically suicidal position. Stupid? yes! Paranoid? undoubtedly! a figure to garner sympathy? only among the equally ignorant and paranoid.
I have no brief for the Covenanters or skinheads of any kind. My own grandfather was threatened, and a business acquaintance of his murdered, by the Indiana Klan. So I know about the rough stuff.
If the ATF wanted to prosecute Randy Weaver for manufacturing overshortened shotguns -- that isn't how American Rifleman told the story, btw, in this case, and if you have other cases, then trot them out! -- they could simply have obtained an example, obtained testimony against him, and sought an indictment. But they were screwing around with trying to compel people to work for them undercover, and they used a textbook example of de jure entrapment to twist his arm. They weren't pushed out of shape about the shotgun: they induced him to break the law, because they wanted to compel him to a course of action against someone else. I don't like those kinds of thumbreaking tactics.
Do you see where the equities lie? The ATF didn't proceed honestly, and a giant screwup resulted. They did something pretty similar at Mount Carmel several months later, when one sheriff, one ATF guy, and one Texas Ranger would have been all the "force" necessary to obtain a just cause of action against David Koresh and his workshop buddies, and a hell of a lot less likely to produce the Shootout at the OK Corral.
I do not withdraw the remark, since my informed opinion was, and is, that your responses to me did in fact bear the striking resemblance I noted. I acknowledge that you may have done so out of ignorance, but now that you know, I would advise you to avoid doing so in the future. You also misused the theological term 'covenanter', though possibly out of ignorance, so I wont hold that one against you. The correct term for the neo-idiots weaver was associating with would be something along the lines of "christian identity/israel identity" cultists.
If you go back and read my original response to you, you will note that I specified that the problems arose due to the out of control nature of the ATF agents operating in that area at that time. HOWEVER, that does not, and cannot, excuse randy weaver's intentional and self-admitted illegal attempts to make short barrelled shotguns. It is at best a failed attempt to make a hero out of a rather dim witted small time criminal.
Oh, and by the way - sorry to hear about your relatives. As I mentioned earlier in this thread I am referred to by the neo-idiots as a "race traitor". To get more specific, I've been made aware that I am held on the blacklists of at least two neo-idiot groups as a "race traitor and racial renegade" [something I wear as a badge of honor, btw], which means that I'm one of the folks they fantasize about lining up against a wall and shooting when their 'great race war' starts. Thus my perspective on this situation tends to be a bit more first person singular than you might otherwise expect it to be.
Then you will notice that I won't be posting back to you. I told you I was on the level but that isn't good enough for you.
I acknowledge that you may have done so out of ignorance, but now that you know, I would advise you to avoid doing so in the future.
Bite me, Net nanny.
You also misused the theological term 'covenanter', though possibly out of ignorance, so I wont hold that one against you.
Big of you. In fact, I used the term "Covenanter" very narrowly, to refer only to the membership of The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, which was the group that USG was mainly interested in. And yes, I am aware of Christian Identity, and that their name is a cover for a white-supremacist agenda. VDARE is the upscale edition of the same thing, run/hosted by Wall Street commentator Peter Brimelow. VDARE links on FR get a poster tossed.
The correct term for the neo-idiots [W]eaver was associating with would be something along the lines of "christian identity/israel identity" cultists.
Now that I've told you the full name of the group with which his doubtful acquaintances were affiliated, you can stand corrected.
If you go back and read my original response to you, you will note that I specified that the problems arose due to the out of control nature of the ATF agents operating in that area at that time.
As the first cause of Weaver's misery, they bear the greatest onus for what ensued. Unless you want to take down Weaver for having a conversation with someone who sold him a "Just Say No to ZOG" T-shirt. Speech is still protected, I think, and not yet a basis for enforcement actions.
HOWEVER, that does not, and cannot, excuse [R]andy [W]eaver's intentional and self-admitted illegal attempts to make short barrelled shotguns.
I was only aware of the one attempt. If you have documentation of other, earlier attempts to break the law, put it up. I'll settle for a magazine article, an indictment, a police-blotter entry, whatever you got on him.
It is at best a failed attempt to make a hero out of a rather dim witted small time criminal.
Please cite and quote my use of the word "hero". He was a misguided private citizen with a strong proclivity toward Bible study and a weakness for affinity-group proselytizing and nineteenth-century ethnocentrism. He was undereducated, overzealous, and backward -- IMHO. Keeping in mind that some libretard somewhere thinks the same thing about me.
Nevertheless, being seized of his civil rights, not having been in prison, and otherwise the lord of his little domain, as constricted as it was, I simply stated the obvious, that it was wicked of the government men to send an informant to entrap Weaver into doing things for them, which is a form of bond service. I said, I don't like that, and it doesn't make me a lionizer or aggrandizer of Randy Weaver or his peculiar beliefs to say so. I champion his rights, not his wrongs, and not his opinions.
You really ought to check around on FR and LibertyPost and read a few of my posts before you decide you know where I'm coming from.
Drop me a FReepmail when you're ready with that retraction. I know it takes a while with a big ego.
Sorry to hear that, but it means you must have done the right thing. Stay sharp, get a peace bond slapped on anyone who threatens you, and stay sharp. I suggest a Dragunov Saiga in 12-gauge, or a Remington 1100 with a magazine extension. Molon labe.
already have the 870 with the extension mag, but thanks for the thought...next on the list is a good longer range rifle that fits the budget...
Hmmm. Something in .300 Win Mag should reach out a long way, but .308 would be good enough, or even a flat-shooting varmint load like .220 Swift or .25-06, preferably in an autoloader. Good luck.
well what I'd really like would be a Sprinfield Armory National Match M1A with a Shepherd scope...but for some reason my wife seems to think stuff like groceries and the mortgage payment are more important...:-)
Concerning spyware, you can set up your system so it will not allow spyware to be installed. Set your system to not allow cookies except fot session type cookies.
ANd more important is to set your system to not allow remote networking, someone from somewhere else can access your computer and send spam.
I read yesterday in Hannity's book "Deliver Us From Evil" that regarding left and right extremists, Ronald Reagan did not see it that way.
He saw it as UP or DOWN. UP towards freedom, or DOWN towards tyranny.
Works for me.
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>> Free Republic does not suffer criticism of Jewry
Nonsense. I hate secular "Jews". However, I love orthodox Jews (I am a descendant of Nathan, son of David; and I am a Christian). Secular Jews are the scum of the earth. They abandoned God's plan to pursue a faith in secular humanism: a degenerate, Satanic religion.
They probably all smoke cigarettes too(I couldn't resist it).
hey no fair.. i'm a good conservative republican FReeper (pro-israel etc...), and I smoke (much to the missus' chagrin....)....
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