Posted on 07/01/2004 11:06:42 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16
I agree, those may be Bin Ladens' goals, but I don't believe they are the goals of Islam...perhaps, if he was it's leader, he would say they were.
I think one of the reasons that Muslims are quiet, is that they believe all that happens is the will of God...and who are they to question the will of God? I may very well be wrong, as I am not a Muslim, but this is the way it looks to me.
I really don't think there is such a thing as a religious war, as religions are created by man. These wars, that are referred to as religious wars, are waged by men that want something, and one of their weapons is religious zealotry.
BTW, been meaning to ask you...why the F-16?
Also, thanks for your "special" contribution. I was TDY at Coronado for a while and observed some of your training up close. I would have been ringing the bell after the first day.
My Tagline may have some interest for you.
"Bush is practicing the fine art of saying "nice doggie" until he can find a big enough rock."
And I am so anxious to find out how big of a rock he is going to use on the doggie!
Very good, but what the article fails to point out is that the Islamic Fundamentalists are following the Koran to the letter. The fundies are the real Muslims. Islam, according to the Koran, is at war with all non Muslims.
ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM!
It would seem that if this were true, then all Muslims would be this way, but they are not. I believe it is in the interpretation of the writings...as it is in all religious writings.
Why then, don't all Muslims follow this thinking?
Our war is against jihadists and those that harbor them. There's no denying it. All Muslims are not jihadists but almost every terrorist act committed against Americans in the past 30 years has been perpetrated by jihadists.
"We need a NEW category and description of malefactor to describe these creatures."
The decision by the USSC leaves this option: "Take no prisoners"
Perhaps detain for a very limited time, interview very agressively, bang, and presto - - no prisoners taken.
To say we are engaged in a "war on terror" is to give the impression that we are fighting against some relatively small ragtag band of crazy religious zealots. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The Islamic-jihadists have networks throughout the world and their followers may well number into the millions. We are fighting World War III, and I wish somebody in our government would say so.
The Islamists have declared a holy war on us and they are prepared to fight us to the death no matter how many years it takes. Any yet there are many Americans who still believe we can somehow negotiate with them or treat them as though they are just a few misguided criminals or zealots who, somehow, have misintrepreted the Koran.
As one political pundit has so clearly put it, "How can we expect to win when they're willing to die for their cause — but we are not willing to even kill for our survival?"
Consider this: "Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp." [The Baburnama -Memoirs of Babur, Prince and Emperor, translated and edited by Wheeler M. Thacktson, Oxford University Press,1996, p. 188.]
Please. Your naivete astounds! You need to do some reading.
So we left ourselves completely vulnerable to a concerted attack.
We left ourselves completely vulnerable to a concerted attack because we let the government deny us the right to keep and bear arms. Now, this same government is asking for our support in their effort to fight a Fourth Generation war with a Second Generation military.
And in the meantime, not one federal gun law has been repealed.
I agree completely with that, which is why bin Laden's task is so much easier than it ought to be. Remember, all political change comes from activists, not the quiet majority. He has the goal of an greater Islamic empire, and he has the means to do so as long as we refuse to admit two things. One, all Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. Second, the critical states in this game are Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, all of which are very weak internally. The West must recognize this and understand that Iraq is the key in this game of dominoes and must be stabilized at any cost.
We have not ignored them. I'll repost what someone did some time ago.
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The list below presents specific incidents of U.S. policy.
It minimizes the grievances against the U.S. because it excludes long-standing policies, such as U.S. backing for authoritarian regimes (arming Saudi Arabia, training the secret police in Iran under the Shah, providing arms and aid to Turkey as it attacked Kurdish villages, etc.).
The list also excludes actions of Israel in which the U.S. is indirectly implicated because Israel has been the leading or second ranking recipient of U.S. aid for many years and has received U.S. weapons and benefited from U.S. veto in the Security Council.
1949:
CIA backs military coup deposing elected government of Syria.
1953:
CIA helps overthrow the democratically elected Mossadeq government in
Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company) leading to a
quarter-century of dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed Reza
Pahlevi.
1956:
U.S. cuts off promised funding for Aswan Dam in Egypt after Egypt
receives Eastern bloc arms.
1956:
Israel, Britain, and France invade Egypt.
U.S. does not support invasion, but the involvement of NATO allies
severely diminishes Washington's reputation in the region.
1958:
U.S. troops land in Lebanon to preserve "stability."
1960s (early):
U.S. unsuccessfully attempts assassination of Iraqi leader, Abdul Karim Qassim.
1963:
U.S. reported to give Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam
Hussein) names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.
1967:
U.S. blocks any effort in the Security Council to enforce SC
Resolution 244, calling for Israeli withdrawal from territories
occupied in the 1967 war.
1970:
Civil war between Jordan and PLO. Israel and U.S. prepare to
intervene on side of Jordan if Syria backs PLO.
1972:
U.S. blocks Sadats efforts to reach a peace agreement with Egypt.
1973:
U.S. military aid enables Israel to turn the tide in war with Syria and Egypt.
1973-75:
U.S. supports Kurdish rebels in Iraq.
When Iran reaches an agreement with Iraq in 1975 and seals the
border, Iraq slaughters Kurds and U.S. denies them refuge.
Kissinger secretly explains that "covert action should not be
confused with missionary work."
1978-79:
Iranians begin demonstrations against the Shah.
U.S. tells Shah it supports him "without reservation" and urges him
to act forcefully.
Until the last minute, U.S. tries to organize military coup to save
the Shah, but to no avail.
1979-88:
U.S. begins covert aid to Mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before
Soviet invasion.
Over the next decade U.S. provides more than $3 billion in arms and aid.
1980-88:
Iran-Iraq war.
When Iraq invades Iran, the U.S. opposes any Security Council action
to condemn the invasion.
U.S. removes Iraq from its list of nations supporting terrorism and
allows U.S. arms to be transferred to Iraq.
U.S. lets Israel provide arms to Iran and in 1985 U.S. provides arms
directly (though secretly) to Iran.
U.S. provides intelligence information to Iraq.
1984:
Iraq uses chemical weapons.
U.S. restores diplomatic relations with Iraq.
1987:
U.S. sends its navy into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side.
1984:
An aggressive U.S. ship shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 290.
1981-1986:
U.S. holds military maneuvers off the coast of Libya with the clear
purpose of provoking Qaddafi.
1981:
A Libyan plane fires a missile and two Libyan planes were
subsequently shot down.
1986:
Libya fires missiles that land far from any target and U.S. attacks
Libyan patrol boats, killing 72, and shore installations.
When a bomb goes off in a Berlin nightclub, killing two, the U.S.
charges that Qaddafi was behind it (possibly true) and conducts major
bombing raids in Libya, killing dozens of civilians, including
Qaddafi's adopted daughter. (Give me a break!)
1982:
U.S. gives "green light" to Israeli invasion of Lebanon, where more
than 10,000 civilians were killed.
U.S. chooses not to invoke its laws prohibiting Israeli use of U.S.
weapons except in self-defense.
1983:
U.S. troops sent to Lebanon as part of a multinational peacekeeping
force; intervene on one side of a civil war.
Withdraw after suicide bombing of Marine barracks.
1984:
U.S.-backed rebels in Afghanistan fire on civilian airliner.
1988:
Saddam Hussein kills many thousands of his own Kurdish population and
uses chemical weapons against them.
The U.S. increases its economic ties to Iraq.
1990-91:
U.S. rejects diplomatic settlement of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait
(Rebuffing any attempt to link the two regional occupations, of
Kuwait and Palestine).
U.S. leads international coalition in war against Iraq.
Civilian infrastructure targeted.
To promote "stability" U.S. refuses to aid uprisings by Shi'ites in
the south and Kurds in the north, denying the rebels access to
captured Iraqi weapons and refusing to prohibit Iraqi helicopter
flights.
1991:
Devastating economic sanctions are imposed on Iraq.
U.S. and Britain block all attempts to lift them.
Hundreds of thousands die.
Though Security Council stated sanctions were to be lifted once
Hussein's programs to develop weapons of mass destruction were ended,
Washington makes it known that the sanctions would remain as long as
Saddam remains in power.
Sanctions strengthen Saddam's position.
1993:
U.S. launches missile attack on Iraq, claiming self defense against
an alleged assassination attempt on former president Bush two months
earlier.
1998:
U.S. and U.K. bomb Iraq over weapons inspections, even though
Security Council is just then meeting to discuss the matter.
1998:
U.S. destroys factory producing half of Sudan's pharmaceutical
supply, claiming retaliation for attacks on U.S. embassies in
Tanzania and Kenya and that factory was involved in chemical warfare.
U.S. later acknowledges there is no evidence for the chemical warfare charge.
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By their own definition, they are infidels. Just think of how the 9/11 hijackers assimilated into American society before their "big day". Just read their "handbook". I suggest you also read Stephen Emerson's book. He has a map of where all the cells are located in the U.S. I don't think they broadcast their intentions on the radio or on the street corner.
John had a great speech.
Thanks for posting it.
I have a new tagline for awhile, and it will be recycled
That doesn't make it a war against Islam...just against those individuals and their followers.
Yup, thats what I said.
You can't be a Muslim unless you follow the Koran. Read what Bin Laden and all the Mullah's have to say. Muslim is not an ethnicity -- you are only a Muslim if you follow the Koran. That's their definition, not mine.
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