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The problem with this suit is that it well may get Kerry votes from the non-christian Americans AND cast him in the "victim" role.
1 posted on 07/01/2004 4:22:11 AM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: dubyaismypresident; hobbes1; secret garden

HAH! this is great.


2 posted on 07/01/2004 4:24:36 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Elkiejg

Maybe. That could happen. But, it is far more important for the Church to uphold its belief than pander to any political consideration.


3 posted on 07/01/2004 4:26:43 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Vote Kerry if you want to commit national suicide)
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To: Elkiejg

Kerry already has the non-Christian vote.


4 posted on 07/01/2004 4:28:09 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Elkiejg

bump for later


5 posted on 07/01/2004 4:28:10 AM PDT by The Mayor (The race of life is run by faith and won by grace.)
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To: Elkiejg

Excellent - time to fight back!


6 posted on 07/01/2004 4:31:12 AM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: Elkiejg
Why would I believe the church has any intention of following its own rules on this?

I believe there were (are) rules against priests buggering young boys, and the church swept THAT under the rug for years.

Maybe they can't exactly sweep this under the rug, but they can pooh-pooh it and debate it, and argue it, and the next thing you know, it's 2013...

9 posted on 07/01/2004 4:34:24 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Elkiejg
Kerry cited in Catholic heresy case


Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition...our chief weapon is surprise, surprise and fear, fear, surprise and ruthless efficiency...get the comfy chair...

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 07/01/2004 4:36:46 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can change the world.)
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To: Elkiejg

I thought only Demoncrats used the court system to win their argument. Finally conservatives are learning to use the levers of justice. Don't you love it?


11 posted on 07/01/2004 4:40:06 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls - Proof that when the Main Stream Media wants your opinion, they will give it to you)
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To: Elkiejg

I wonder how many votes this will get for Kerry.


13 posted on 07/01/2004 4:41:56 AM PDT by tkathy (nihilism: absolute destructiveness toward the world at large and oneself)
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To: Elkiejg

I am confused by the Kerry:Church equation. Did he or did he not get a church annulment? He refuses to say, or cannot prove it. If he married his first wife in church, and if both he and his first wife were baptized, then he could not marry again w/o a church annulment. If he did so, he is a fallen-away Catholic. But he's just not going to tell us where he stands.

HE IS NOT BEING HONEST WITH THE VOTERS.

As far as religion/politics are concerned, Kerry has placed the church in an awkward position. The church will not want to make a martyr of him which could get him sympathy votes. Perhaps the longer view taken by the church is to get a religious, non-abortion president re-elected.


14 posted on 07/01/2004 4:46:32 AM PDT by kitkat ("The democrats would rather win the WH than the war." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Elkiejg; seamole

seamole ping, sounds interesting.


15 posted on 07/01/2004 5:02:46 AM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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To: Elkiejg
The charges must be filed in the diocese where Mr. Kerry lives. If the Archdiocese of Boston rejects the case, Mr. Balestrieri can appeal it to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in Rome.

Ratzinger is as conservative in faith as a Cardinal can be. Even if it gets debated for years, He will make sure the faith stays strong.

19 posted on 07/01/2004 5:24:57 AM PDT by doc30
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To: Elkiejg

I, for one, would like to see this happen. I would like to see the Catholic Church stand up for itself and it's beliefs. We are told from birth to stand up for our beliefs and values and it's time for the Catholic Church to follow its own advice. Either this is important or it's not, no grey area, no middle ground. Stand up for what you believe or sit down, shut up and keep your values and your morals to yourself. If you are luke warm, I will spit thee out.


20 posted on 07/01/2004 5:27:02 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Elkiejg

Another sad reminder of the fact that if the Church is to be defended in America, Lay people will have to do it.

We here at catholicsagainstkerry.com are fighting against this genuine threat to the life of the American Catholic Church.

We need Catholics to stand up here and now. Join us and become part of history. Don't wait for history to happen to us. View the truth and E mail everyone you can. Ask them to view it as well. Tell them to tell their friends. Lets get this out to American Catholics all over the country.


24 posted on 07/01/2004 5:52:08 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicsagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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To: Elkiejg

"Bishops have had 31 years [since the Supreme Court made abortion an individual right] to do something on this matter, but they've done nothing," he said."

But they have. By mouthing the words of anti-abortionism without acting on them, they have aided and abetted the crime.

I read yesterday about six Mexican priests who were canonized because they were martyred during the Mexican revolution in the 1920s. Most people don't realize that the Mexican revolution was a Communist takeover that happened at the same time as the Bolshevik revolution. These six priests were tortured and shot or hung simply because they wouldn't stop giving the sacraments to their parish members. Nothing more.

It made me think how the bishops and priests in this country have shown such absolute cowardice on the abortion issue. In the US, there is no threat to life and limb for advocating an unpopular position. Yet the Church has failed to muster the full support of its own congregation. This is the real scandal!


25 posted on 07/01/2004 5:52:51 AM PDT by vanmorrison
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To: Elkiejg; *Catholic_list
A Catholic lawyer has filed heresy charges against Sen. John Kerry with the Archdiocese of Boston, accusing the Democratic presidential candidate of bringing "most serious scandal to the American public" by receiving Holy Communion as a pro-choice Catholic.

Excellent!

27 posted on 07/01/2004 6:07:19 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Elkiejg

Here is O'Malley writing on abortion before going to Boston.

It is sad to see him fold his tent like he has done since...




January 2003

Media Statement from

The Most Reverend Sean Patrick O'Malley O.F.M. Cap.

Bishop Catholic Diocese of Palm Beach

Contact: Deacon Sam J. Barbaro, Director of Communications
Voice: 561-775-9529 - Facsimile: 561-775-9502
P.O. Box 109650 - Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410-9650
E-mail: sbarbaro@diocesepb.org

Dearly Beloved in Christ,

As slavery was the great moral and ethical crisis of American History, in our own times, the worst moral blindness finds its expression in abortion. There is a sadness in my own heart that wells up each time I recall the tragic mistake of our Supreme Court in the decision of Roe vs. Wade that opened the flood gates of abortion. This egregious betrayal is akin to the Dred Scott decision in the radical way that the court devalued human life and excluded innocent human beings from the protection of the law. After three decades and millions of abortions, the danger of complacency is great.


Every Catholic must work to promote the Gospel of Life in all its facets; not to do so is to fail in our mission to make this a better world where people take care of each other and make sacrifices for the most weak and vulnerable. Our obligation to protect and nurture human life does not end when the baby is born; but the other works of mercy and social entitlements are meaningless to the baby girl who has died a victim of partial birth abortion. As a society, the first thing we can do for a child is to respect the inalienable right to life that comes to us from God and is enshrined in the foundational documents of our nation.


This year, as I have done for the last 30 years, I shall go to the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception and there with young people, priests and faithful veterans of the cause of life, we will pray for the end to abortion in our country and in the world. I am so proud of the fact that each year we are joined by thousands of young people who pray with us at Mary's Shrine and then walk in the March for Life. Their faith and idealism fill me with hope. They are there despite the hostility of so many advocates for abortion who want to ridicule our cause and dismiss us as "social conservatives." But the cause of life cannot be dismissed. Life is precious and the defense of life is both a privilege and a duty.


We pray for just laws that will protect human life, but we must work to change human hearts to make room at the table of life for all our brothers and sisters. A huge challenge is to change people's attitude towards adoption. We are confronted with the strange logic that somehow it is better to kill a child rather than entrust a child to a loving family. Thousands of childless couples are longing to give a home to an unwanted baby. In our Church we must celebrate adoption and support birthmothers and adoptive parents who want to give life a chance. We must build a society where every baby is wanted.


The kinds of changes we strive for demand spiritual renewal and prayer. It is in prayer that we will experience God's power and love. In prayer we shall learn compassion for the unborn child, for the mother and even for the abortionist who tramples the noble vows of the Hippocratic Oath.


We must not allow our rightful indignation over the crime of abortion to diminish our love and concern for those involved in these horrendous situations. Recall how Dorothy Day, whose cause has been presented for sainthood, in her youth opted to have an abortion after her lover abandoned her. Likewise, Dr. Nathanson the champion of NARAL and personally responsible for thousands of abortions has become Catholic and a staunch defender of human life. God's grace can turn people's lives around; we must never cease to proclaim this consoling truth.


As a community of faith we need to reach out to women who have had the misfortune to have aborted their child. We must try to help them to recover spiritually and psychologically from the violence that abortion causes women. We are grateful for Project Rachel, which has been a powerful instrument of healing for the families of aborted children.


This year by a vote of the United States Bishops' Conference and confirmation by the Holy See, it is a particular law of the Church for Catholics of the United States that January 22nd will be observed as a day of penance for violations to the dignity of the human person through abortion and as a day of prayer for the full restoration of the legal guarantee of the right to life.


The liturgical calendar (Ordo) states that the Mass for Peace and Justice should be celebrated with purple vestments. It is also a day when we are all asked to fast and pray and to make sacrifices as we do during Lent. I would certainly encourage people to try to attend Mass on that day and to pray the rosary.


Even as we pray for changes in our laws and in the hearts of our fellow citizens, we must redouble our efforts to work for a more just and caring society where women will be less prone to abort their babies. We need to get the word out that our faith community stands ready to help every woman in a difficult pregnancy.


The Catholic community must stand ready to help those families that are suffering economic insecurity and are most vulnerable to "facile solutions" promised by a culture of death. We must also do a better job of preparing our young people for a vocation of marriage and parenthood.


Let me say a word of thanks to our brothers and sisters who are already working tirelessly to make the world safe for unborn children and to those who are helping women contemplating an abortion or who have already had an abortion.


We must embrace the Gospel of Life not in a spirit of self-righteousness but with humility and compassion and also with a sense of fulfilling the mission that Christ has entrusted to His disciples. Christ has not sent us to judge or condemn people but to invite them to conversion and to life. Our quest for respect for life is not a political issue, it is a moral imperative. Life is precious at all stages, and we must be prepared to defend life through all the stages of life whenever it is threatened.


I pledge my prayers for all of you but especially for our young people that you will all be apostles for the Gospel of Life and that together we may make ours a better world; a world where human life is deemed precious and where we bear one another's burdens with compassion.


Devotedly in Christ,


Most Reverend Sean P. O'Malley, O.F.M. Cap.


Bishop of Palm Beach


29 posted on 07/01/2004 6:14:11 AM PDT by detch
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To: Elkiejg; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...

If you join this suit, consider adding the charge of public blasphemey -- when Kerry took "communion" publicly in the AME Church he became an apostate.


32 posted on 07/01/2004 6:18:26 AM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: Elkiejg
Kerry cited in Catholic heresy case

What about the sealed divorce papers of F-ing Kerry. The Chicago Tribune pried open Jack Ryan's (Republican Senatorial candidate from Illinois) sealed divorce papers. It is even more critical to know what is in sealed papers of a presidential candidate.

33 posted on 07/01/2004 6:24:12 AM PDT by hgro
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Truth is not a problem. The rejection of truth is. Let the chips fall where they may.


34 posted on 07/01/2004 6:27:28 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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