The war on guns: Joel Miller explains how drug cops are killing 2nd Amendment

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, June 30, 2004 | Joel Miller

[TigersEye]

What many do not realize, however, is that the war on crime used as the pretext for banning guns results directly from the war on drugs.

I knew that in 1980.

[TigersEye]

Laws are the only things that keep some people from using drugs.

Pure baloney. You can't find one study anywhere to support that.

[AmericanChef]

Believe it or not. Anyone who drinks too much alcohol on a regular basis (many liberals come to mind) is in the risk zone. Make drugs legally available at their own specialty shops, and you'll surely see an increase.

Like the free-sexual revolution, when drugs are an acceptable part of society, it brings more problems than it solves. Abortion, anyone?

[TigersEye]

By that reasoning then you ought to be in support of strong criminal sanctions
against extra-marital sex and use and possession of contraceptives.

[Blood of Tyrants]

It amazes me that many people who call themselves "constitutional conservatives" support the WOD without question. The WOD cause many, many more problems than it solves.

[familyop]

"When he beats you with facts, attack him with stupidity."

"Stupidity" is supporting a party platform that seeks to open the borders, eliminate all immigration laws and other lefty wishes.

http://www.lp.org/issues/platform/preamble.html#toc

Stupidity is wanting to make our country more of a whorehouse than it already is.

[familyop]

"By that reasoning then you ought to be in support of strong criminal sanctions against extra-marital sex."

That's a good idea.

[familyop]

"All pols : 'We are going to take some drugs away from you for the common good.'

FR : Hurray! Screw those damn drug addled hippies."

There's the Liberaltarian Party, which seeks to open the borders, is against "the attempts by parents or any others -- via kidnappings or conservatorships -- to force children to conform to any religious views," and so forth.

Let them have their way, though, and we would be seeing advertisements like, "Microsoft Cocaine: a better buzz after your hard day's work to go with your Microslut Whore," or "Boeing: yeah, we beat the competition in that other state, with better nukes."

;-)

[TigersEye]

That's a good idea.

Sure it is. So is eliminating all guns from society. Enjoy your statist pipedreams. I'll enjoy knowing that your comments can be summarily dismissed as kneejerk polemical sophistry of little weight or value. Thanks.

[familyop]

I'll ignore your straw man about the Second Amendment, which I do support and let you know that our founders, with all moral intent, punished adulterers and sodomizers as criminals.

[TigersEye]

Yavol!

[neverdem]

BANG

HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY!!!!

[ActionNewsBill]

...our founders, with all moral intent, punished adulterers and sodomizers as criminals.

And where do drug users fit in to your scenario?

Seems to me you are going a little overboard with your accusations.

Unless you equate responsible drug use with homosexuality and adultery.

[Drammach]

Take the laws away, and you'll see a lot more drug abuse, more access to drugs by children in their own homes, etc. I don't want to clean up that mess.

Although you sort of have the right idea, you've carried it to an illogical extreme..

The answer is to CHANGE the laws..
Firstly, authorizing medical use without ending up with federal charges against you..
Although there are exceptions, bad apples in the medical community, the vast majority of doctors and nurses will use many of those drugs properly and effectively.

Secondly, licensing and taxation..
Even with requirements for a license to buy and sell, and a federal tax equal to that on alcohol, prices would be much lower than street prices are now..
No profit motive, no crime.. affordable prices, no crime.. medical supervision, no crime..

I could spend a couple days of my time researching to prove the point, digging up all the stuff I've read over the years, but I don't really want to waste my time..

There will always be some abuse of drugs just as there is of alcohol.. You can't change human nature..
But prior to prohibition, the prohibition movement was actually succeeding in changing america's drinking habits through education and information campaigns..
Ever heard of "taking the pledge"? That was the prohibition movement.. It was working..
When prohibition passed, all of their good work went to hell in a handcart.. We ended up with organized crime, and illegal booze everywhere, as most citizens, normally law abiding, virtually "looked the other way" when it came to enforcing prohibition, and even refused to convict most bootleggers.. ( jury nullification at it's best )

By the way, prohibition was responsible for the increased popularity of marijuana as a recreational drug of choice.. replacing the prohibited alcohol...
As did other drugs, as a replacement for good old booze..

Prohibition also resulted in the 1934 Gun Act which put all those severe restrictions on the "Tommy Gun" and other automatic weapons, as well as the Sawed off Shotgun, or Coach Gun, one of the most popular personal weapons of the time.. ( Shotgun... The REAL "Gun that Won the West".. )
So, like Mr. Miller says, it is laws like the present Drug laws that encourage criminal activities in search of profit.. That end up taking away YOUR GUN RIGHTS.

I'm not calling for outright legalization of all drugs..
I'm just calling for some common sense..
Morphine, even Heroin, can be used medically, but is so highly restricted, and the penalties for "perceived" over-prescribing so severe, that doctors are afraid to simply relieve the pain of TERMINAL patients..
Cannabis, or marijuana, which cannot be shown to EVER have killed Anyone through overdose, has less effect on brain cells than alcohol, and benefits cancer patients by decreasing nausea and increasing appetite, is completely prohibited for use and cannot be prescribed by doctors as a medicinal drug..

Additionally, Hemp is a cash crop that cannot even be grown in this country..
Agricultural Hemp wouldn't get a FLY HIGH..

Drugs are not bad..
Let me say that again..
DRUGS ARE NOT BAD.. DRUGS ARE NOT EVIL...

Drugs are used to make people's lives better, to cure disease, ease pain, correct conditions, etc., etc., etc..
It is the ABUSE of drugs that is bad..
Even Alcohol, when used in moderation and with discretion, is beneficial.. Belladonna, a known poison, is used medicinally, and is a beneficial muscle relaxant..
Castor oil is made from Mung Beans, the basis for Ricin..

Laws don't keep people from taking drugs..
Americans take tons of drugs every day.. Even children are doped up on a form of Methamphetamine, RITALIN..
It's personal responsibility that is required, not laws..
When conjoined with some medical supervision or advice, most if not all of the drugs we spend Billions on prohibiting, could be handled by Free Americans with responsible attitudes..

Lastly, some hard core opinion..
While I have stated above I am willing to accept some regulation in place of restriction and prohibition,...

Personally, I would legalize (decriminalize) all drugs..
I understand there would be a sudden upsurge in drug overdoses and related deaths.. But it would soon come back down and level off at a fairly low rate..
And those that die?
Obviously, they had non-survival traits.. Probably all Liberals and socialists, and we're well rid of them..
I'd rather they kill themselves off than my having to do it, some night in my home, defending my family..
With a gun made illegal by a stupid War on Drugs..

[somniferum]

Hoo boy, another WO(s)D thread...

This has probably been posted ad naseum on other threads, but I thought Id throw it in any way.. ;)

"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
- Abraham Lincoln: Speech in the Illinois House of Representatives, Dec 18, 1840.

[AmericanChef]

Well, you could say prohibition didn't work, but you then also have to say legalization doesn't, either.

There are plenty of countries that have tried the legalization route, with terrible results - INCREASED crime, and many more addicts.

So, I can't be convinced that legalization is the way to go.

Medicinally, I agree that there should be appropriate use, but not to use drugs in the "legal" treatment of addicts, which hasn't worked in the past. And I think doctors are just as afraid of a patient or relative's lawsuit if they provide too many drugs to a patient, so "controls" are only half the problem.

[Cedar]

"Unless you equate responsible drug use with homosexuality and adultery."

Responsible drug use? Very telling.

[TXnMA]

"Why did the War on Alcohol require a constitutional amendment, while the War on Some of the Other Drugs did not?"

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It took a Constitutional amendment to change the status of alcohol from legal to illegal.

Drugs were never legal,

[bvw]

You must be kidding. Coca Cola was orginally a cocaine concoction. And legal. Morphine was legal, and it and other modes of opium were the active ingredient in many patent medicines in the later 1800's, up until the KKK 1910's.

[A CA Guy]

The people like and respect guns as much as they hate the tweaker drug users, so don't expect bans on all guns to ever be allowed to stand long anywhere in the USA IMO.