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Justices Will Hear Argument on Medical Marijuana Laws
NY Times ^ | June 29, 2004 | LINDA GREENHOUSE

Posted on 06/29/2004 7:01:49 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 06/29/2004 7:01:51 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 06/29/2004 7:08:28 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

My mother used marijuana when taking chemo. (DEFINITELY not a druggie, she was a preacher for the Church of God for crying out loud!) The other drugs given for nausea kept her virtually comatose and she couldn't enjoy her time with her family and my kids. Marijuana provided much needed relief from nausea and an appetite to improve her nutritional level during what time she had left, and still left her coherent enough to play games or whatever the kids wanted. It also helped her nerves, which is usually on edge during this treatment.

I am for the RESPONSIBLE use of a valid drug. The same drug that makes morphine is also an illegal drug in street form. But you can't discount the medicinal use of this drug.


3 posted on 06/29/2004 7:12:47 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: sandbar
The trouble is that this opens wide the door for MD corruption. After all, not all MDs are Marcus Welbee. I know down in Florida there was (is?) a booming business in which MDs will --- for a proper remuneration -- register someone as Handicap. Thus enabling the party of the 2nd part to get a handicap sticker/sign and with that... well, you know the rest. Its a two-way street: sometimes the MD brings up the possibility, and sometimes the patient.

Now the possibility of allowing MDs to Rx pot....Ah me, plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose ("The more things change, the more they stay the same.")

4 posted on 06/29/2004 8:01:10 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter & a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: sandbar; *Wod_list; *libertarians
I am for the RESPONSIBLE use of a valid drug.

I am for the responsible use of everything, from guns to cars to drugs. Responsible use doesn't mean prohibition.

Then again, many here would call your mother a druggie, and demand she be thrown in jail on federal charges, because there is no federal recognition of medical marijuana laws, irrespective of the state laws on the subject.

5 posted on 06/29/2004 9:27:29 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: sandbar

i wish my mom had used it during her cancer treatment. but since it was illegal, she wouldn't. i got to watch her suffer thru the coctail of drugs she took. i wouldn't wish that on anyone... would pot have helped her? i don't know, but i do think her doctor should have the ability to make that decision, not the government.


6 posted on 06/29/2004 10:00:02 PM PDT by j-pizzo
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To: neverdem

Remember during the 2000 presidential campaign, when Bush said that medical marijuana was a states' rights issue, and that he would not use the federal government to try to bully states into accepting federal law over the issue?


7 posted on 06/29/2004 10:04:41 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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Given their recent rulings I firmly believe they are personally stoned while hearing cases.


8 posted on 06/29/2004 10:07:10 PM PDT by Texasforever (When Kerry was asked what kind of tree he would like to be he answered…. Al Gore.)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
Remember during the 2000 presidential campaign, when Bush said that medical marijuana was a states' rights issue, and that he would not use the federal government to try to bully states into accepting federal law over the issue?

No, I don't. Anyone who does has a truly exceptional memory or is highly attached to the subject. I approve of medical marijuana. I believe the feds will lose when SCOTUS hears the case.

9 posted on 06/29/2004 10:28:16 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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I believe the feds will lose when SCOTUS hears the case.

Hard to predict anything with this Court, but I would guess a 5-4 against the feds.

Justice Thomas has said the "substantial effects" test of the Commerce Clause is not correct and that at the very least it needs reexamining.

What is your rationale for thinking USSC will rule against the feds?

10 posted on 06/30/2004 12:26:02 AM PDT by Ken H
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What is your rationale for thinking USSC will rule against the feds?

It's demonstrated liberal tendency, medically and legally. In the medical sense, I believe it's right. From a practical, legal perpsective, after blithely making their ruling in Lawrence v. Texas tacitly endorsing the homosexual lifestyle, are they now supposed to deny the drug that alleviates "Slim's Disease", i.e. AIDS, as well as the nausea that accompanies chemotherapy when patients can't tolerate pills, not to mention certain patients with chronic pain, multiple sclerosis or glaucoma?

11 posted on 06/30/2004 1:28:13 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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USSC actually ruled once before against the program, saying there was no medical necessity defense. They said Congress was within its powers to rule that MJ had no medicinal value.

This time the feds are being challenged on the basis that the program does not substantially affect interstate commerce and therefore, the feds have no constitutional authority to interfere.

In US vs Lopez, Justice Thomas wrote:

Our construction of the scope of congressional authority has the additional problem of coming close to turning the Tenth Amendment on its head. Our case law could be read to reserve to the United States all powers not expressly prohibited by the Constitution. Taken together, these fundamental textual problems should, at the very least, convince us that the "substantial effects" test should be reexamined.

If he sticks to his beliefs about substantial effects, he could end up being the swing vote.

12 posted on 06/30/2004 2:01:57 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

I'm no lawyer, but I like your perspective. Say a prayer. Adios


13 posted on 06/30/2004 2:10:04 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

I believe what he said when asked about medical marijuana on the campaign trail was "I believe each state can choose that decision as they so choose."

Footnote # 3 in http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=00-151

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=list&p_topdoc=51


14 posted on 06/30/2004 10:16:17 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

That's # 3 on the second set of footnotes near the bottom of the page.


15 posted on 06/30/2004 10:22:06 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

Thanks for the first link. The 2nd link expired.


16 posted on 06/30/2004 2:54:59 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Ken H
They said Congress was within its powers to rule that MJ had no medicinal value.

Is it the mark of a free country when a court determines that a legislative body should make medical decisions? What do we have doctors for, licensed by the state, no less?

17 posted on 06/30/2004 8:36:06 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: neverdem

Sorry about that. Here are links I googled up to a few articles that use that quote:

http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel112601.shtml
http://www.cato.org/research/articles/bandow-031219.html
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/05/17/column.billpress/

There were 270 hits for that quote on Google.


18 posted on 06/30/2004 8:52:57 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: coloradan
Then again, many here would call your mother a druggie, and demand she be thrown in jail on federal charges,

I have NEVER seen anyone here post such an idea. You are indulging in hyperbole and alarmism.

19 posted on 06/30/2004 8:56:02 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: coloradan
What do we have doctors for, licensed by the state, no less?

Licensed by the state to obey state laws. Duh...

20 posted on 06/30/2004 8:57:00 PM PDT by cinFLA
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