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Bush Can Hold Citizens Without Trial
Yahoo (AP) ^ | 6/28/04 | ANNE GEARAN

Posted on 06/28/2004 7:30:47 AM PDT by The_Victor

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled narrowly Monday that Congress gave President Bush (news - web sites) the power to hold an American citizen without charges or trial, but said the detainee can challenge his treatment in court.

 

The ruling sided with the administration on an important legal point raised in the war on terrorism. At the same time, it left unanswered other hard questions raised by the case of Yaser Esam Hamdi, who has been detained more than two years and who was only recently allowed to see a lawyer.

The administration had fought any suggestion that Hamdi or another U.S.-born terrorism suspect could go to court, saying that such a legal fight posed a threat to the president's power to wage war as he sees fit.

"We have no reason to doubt that courts, faced with these sensitive matters, will pay proper heed both to the matters of national security that might arise in an individual case and to the constitutional limitations safeguarding essential liberties that remain vibrant even in times of security concerns," Justice Sandra Day O'Connor (news - web sites) wrote for the court.

O'Connor said that Hamdi "unquestionably has the right to access to counsel."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: detainees; enemeycombatant; hamdi; ruling; scotus
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Leftist conniption, incomming!
1 posted on 06/28/2004 7:30:47 AM PDT by The_Victor
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To: The_Victor

It's official. We are now a tyranny.


2 posted on 06/28/2004 7:31:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz

Not until a Dem is in office. Then the howling begins.


3 posted on 06/28/2004 7:33:05 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: The_Victor

Fox just said that Bush lost the cases...what gives?????


4 posted on 06/28/2004 7:33:37 AM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Wolfie
Not until a Dem is in office. Then the howling begins.

Oh yeah.

I forgot.

It's okay when our side does it.

5 posted on 06/28/2004 7:34:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz
If you want the courts to run wars change the constitution to take it out of the hands of congress and the president.

Or move to a country where the courts run wars.

7 posted on 06/28/2004 7:35:39 AM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: Lazamataz
From the article: the detainee can challenge his treatment in court. .........O'Connor said that Hamdi "unquestionably has the right to access to counsel."

Hardly a tyranny. Methinks that's an over-reaction.

8 posted on 06/28/2004 7:35:42 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: All

This is wrong....


9 posted on 06/28/2004 7:36:03 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: The_Victor

Bush wins again.


10 posted on 06/28/2004 7:36:45 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Lazamataz
It's official. We are now a tyranny.

And it is official that you are not serious about the War on Terror.

11 posted on 06/28/2004 7:37:01 AM PDT by Dane
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To: The_Victor
. . . detained more than two years and who was only recently allowed to see a lawyer. "

This causes a serious habeas corpus problem. The detainee can not contact counsel and the court will not give standing to those who seek to obtain a writ.

Now I have no sympathy for the monsters locked up at Gitmo, but that is pretty much what happened when some lefty lawyers on the West Coast went in for a writ.

Remember 'habeas corpus' essentially means " I will have the body". In other words the court requires the authority holding the person to bring him into court for a hearing on the validity of the detention.

12 posted on 06/28/2004 7:37:16 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: KevinDavis

The meek shall inherit the earth....six feet of it to be exact.


13 posted on 06/28/2004 7:37:51 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: The_Victor

track down mikey moore


14 posted on 06/28/2004 7:38:06 AM PDT by petercooper (In the end, the Democrats are really just a herd of jackasses.)
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To: Badeye

I am really confused they reported on Fox that both decisions by SCOTUS were losses to the administration.


15 posted on 06/28/2004 7:38:45 AM PDT by mware
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To: Badeye
Bush wins again.

Hold your horses. The same decision gives the gits at Gitmo access to US Courts.

That's ridiculous.

16 posted on 06/28/2004 7:39:08 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: The_Victor

I'm thinking that the Court just let the terrorist have a great win....I'm thinking that they have hurt this country badly.


17 posted on 06/28/2004 7:41:45 AM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: mrsmith; Lazamataz
If you want the courts to run wars change the constitution to take it out of the hands of congress and the president.

That might make sense if we bothered to have Congress declare war anymore.

18 posted on 06/28/2004 7:42:29 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Dane

Good old Dane. If they put up death camps and filed our citizens into them, you'd cheer it on. "Yay!" you'd exult, "They were probably terrierists, the bastids!"

Well, I always must bear in mind that Nazi Germany also had its supporters.

That thought helps me understand you.


19 posted on 06/28/2004 7:42:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz
Good old Dane. If they put up death camps and filed our citizens into them, you'd cheer it on. "Yay!" you'd exult, "They were probably terrierists, the bastids!"

Well, I always must bear in mind that Nazi Germany also had its supporters.

Why don't you just make it official and go over to DU, your hysterical paranoid tin foil hyperbole fits like a glove over there.

20 posted on 06/28/2004 7:45:18 AM PDT by Dane
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