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Canadian Election--6/28 Live Thread
Various | 6/28/04 | Free Republic

Posted on 06/28/2004 2:51:25 AM PDT by conservative in nyc

The Canadian election is today. If the most recent polls are correct, the Conservative Party of Canada may win more seats in Canada's House of Commons, setting the stage for a Conservative minority government. A new day may be dawning in Canada. But the election is going to be close.

Please use this thread for any early election articles that pop-up over the course of the day, predictions and news analysis, and, of course, the actual results as they come in.

Also, please post links to Canadian elections result sites here.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Canada; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canada; electioncanada; harper; martin
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To: goldstategop

Isn't a minority government almost impossible to maintain? They can't (and won't) form a coalition with the other parties, so there will be a vote of no confidence the first time the liberals smell blood.


21 posted on 06/28/2004 4:37:11 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude

A minority government is difficult to maintain so there's not likely to be any controversial legislation. At the same time none of the smaller parties wants another election too soon - they need to replenish their depleted coffers first. I give one about six months to a year.


22 posted on 06/28/2004 4:40:06 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Actually from what I know about Canadian electoral law the Governor General of Canada has say in whether an election is called or not in case of a no-confidence vote bringing down the minority government in power. He (or in Canada's case now, she) can ask the next party in line to try to form the government instead of calling another election.

I also heard that in the case of a minority government, the current prime minister has the option not to concede power and to try to form a government with other parties help. Unbelievably, this means that even if the Conservatives win more seats, Paul Martin has the option to keep power and try to form a government, an option he hasn't ruled out...


23 posted on 06/28/2004 4:55:48 AM PDT by SB00
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To: conservative in nyc

Will you be posting results from the North Minehead By election, as well?


24 posted on 06/28/2004 4:57:38 AM PDT by rabidralph (My pit bull drives an SUV.)
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To: SB00

Exactly. If Martin's Liberals win the popular vote but winds up with fewer seats, his party still gets a shot at forming a government since MORE people voted for it than for the Conservatives. Its the Canadian way. The only chance this scenario becomes remote is if the Conservatives win enough seats so they get the first claim on forming the government. In the end, the Governor General has to decide which leader of which party can best form a government that can command a majority in the House Of Commons in the event no party wins an outright majority in an election.


25 posted on 06/28/2004 5:01:18 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: conservative in nyc
Bookmark for results.

Good luck Canada on the conservatives winning!

26 posted on 06/28/2004 5:10:14 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: goldstategop

You are spectactularly wrong, goldstate. Polls close at 8 PM or so, local time, across the country. Polls close in Newfoundland at 6:30 EDT. Atlantic Canada 7:oo EDT and so on. The polls in British Columbia don't close until 11:00 PM EDT.


27 posted on 06/28/2004 5:39:38 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: goldstategop

See post #7. And look for a Conservative victory.


28 posted on 06/28/2004 5:40:42 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: conservative in nyc

Are there any porn stars running for parliment?


29 posted on 06/28/2004 5:42:47 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Oh well. If its really razor edge, we may not know who's ahead til well past midnight EDT. Maybe not for a couple of days. Will this be the American Election 200 Redux? Stay tuned.


30 posted on 06/28/2004 5:43:15 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I wish I could call it. And neither can you. I think right now its still too close to call. The smart bet's though, on a Conservative minority government.


31 posted on 06/28/2004 5:44:40 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: greasepaint

LOL! The Liberals and the NDPers are all government whores running for the House Of Commons


32 posted on 06/28/2004 5:45:27 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
It will not be US 2000 Redux. At least you had a clear winner, after a while. The parliamentary system is much more vague. With close races and recounts, we might not even know the seat count for a couple of weeks. Then the governor-general, an avowed socialist, will call on one of the party leaders to form a government. It could very well be a party that does not even have the most seats, but can form a government in co-operation with others.

If a minority Conservative government is formed, it will only last 12 to 24 months before another election is called. If they are smart they will be able to frame the issues for the next election in their favor and ride to a majority victory at that time. It has happened before, see 1957-1958 Canadian federal elections.

33 posted on 06/28/2004 5:48:13 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Former Proud Canadian

We didn't have a clear winner for 36 days. You might not even know which party gets called on to form the government first. That's why we should hope the polls are off the mark. A decisive Conservative win would mean a change for the better for Canada.


34 posted on 06/28/2004 5:51:06 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: The Raven

Does anyone recall the name of that
'swing-o-meter' display that seems very
popular in UK election reporting?


35 posted on 06/28/2004 6:14:11 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: The Raven

Down with the Liberals placemarker!


36 posted on 06/28/2004 6:51:03 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: conservative in nyc

The Election Prediction Project website is apparently run by a card-carrying liberal, and consequently, has the Liberals winning 121-105 with the other seats spread out [BQ-52, NDP-29, Ind-1]. They FINALLY pegged John Herron to lose Fundy at the last minute, but frankly, and I'm not even Canadian, the Ontario call looks way off. I doubt, despite Liberal moves in the polls, that they'll make off with 65 seats in the province, especially with the NDP running stronger. It seems they only have the CPC the most obvious gains while tossing everything else to the Liberals. The Quebec prediction I think is also understating BQ support.

Barring a disaster, the Conservatives should win a government tonight (minority OR majority, most likely minority).


37 posted on 06/28/2004 7:30:25 AM PDT by GiveEmDubya (We Need a New Reagan Revolution)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

They introduced staggered voting hours in the 90s. Ontario & Québec polls are open 9:30am-9:30pm EDT while BC polling hours are 7am-7pm PDT (10am-10pm EDT).


38 posted on 06/28/2004 7:32:29 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Earth first! We can mine the other planets later.)
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To: GiveEmDubya

I agree that it's advantage-tory. The NDP won't get enough seats to support a Liberal government, and backing Martin would be political suicide for the Bloc, which is riding an anti-Liberal wave. It could even be similar to 1979 where the Créditistes were able to keep the Tories in power merely by abstaining from votes (Joe Clark had more seats than the NDP and Liberals combined- it took all three opposition parties to defeat him).


39 posted on 06/28/2004 7:36:38 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Earth first! We can mine the other planets later.)
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To: Squawk 8888

Agree. My predicition still varies quite a bit from that internet projection. For starters, when and if Cardigan falls to the Tories (and I think it will), it will be a sign of the coming blue wave. If Brison goes down early in the night as well, I think it'll be an indicator.

They have, in my estimation, WAAAY underestimated Conservative support in Ontario, and slightly understated the Bloc in Quebec. NDP might be slightly overstated as well.


40 posted on 06/28/2004 7:53:31 AM PDT by GiveEmDubya (We Need a New Reagan Revolution)
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