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I found this article linked to a post I made a couple years ago. I have no idea who is Edo Nyland, consequently, I'm skeptical.
1 posted on 06/25/2004 3:44:16 PM PDT by blam
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The Samurai And The Ainu
2 posted on 06/25/2004 3:47:11 PM PDT by blam
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fascinating!!

Some think the Basque are an isolated remnant of Cro Magnon man in Europe.

4 posted on 06/25/2004 3:50:59 PM PDT by motife
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I have no idea who is Edo Nyland, consequently, I'm skeptical.

I skimmed through his biography after Googling his home page. Interesting.

6 posted on 06/25/2004 3:58:06 PM PDT by siunevada
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I'm skeptical, too, on methodological grounds. "Basque" is a cultural designation based largely on language, and our knowledge of the Basque language and the people who speak/spoke it is pretty recent, dating back no earlier than--I would infer--the Greco-Roman period. "Ainu" seems to be a more racial designation, but once we start talking about Ainu religion we're getting into a cultural definition based on fairly recent knowledge from the past millennia-plus or so; whereas this article makes statements about Ainu religion in 5000 BC, long before any written records in Japan, and it also makes inferences about Ainu migrations based on projecting backwards from current knowledge of the Ainu language to hypothetical migrations that supposedly may have taken place "millennia ago". This procedure seems very speculative to me. The linguistic argument also seems very weak--this type of linguistic argument from common-sounding words was common in the 19th century but has fallen out of favor because of problems with this method that have since been pointed out.


11 posted on 06/25/2004 4:23:54 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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Edo Nyland is famed nonsense non-scientist. But very entertaining. His methods are so far fetched that it is possible to prove the connection of any words in any language.

He has a homepage where you can see his method of analysing and reconstructing relationships between words and names. It is very entertaining for someone with enough brains and geeky enough. I'm not sure if the guy is serious and just plain crazy, or if he does it to annoy or mock serious "comparative linguists".
His homepage:
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~edonon/


15 posted on 06/25/2004 5:41:53 PM PDT by SwedeCon
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To: blam
I'm skeptical.

Even so it is a great post. As far as I am concerned, the past, like the present, was complex and development multifacited.

16 posted on 06/25/2004 5:49:02 PM PDT by JimSEA ( "More Bush, Less Taxes.")
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If I remember the figure correctly, with any two unrelated languages, 40% of functional words will sound roughly alike

Also, I'm really underwhelmed with a lot of the the matches:
But thanks. I'm always interested in the stuff you post.
17 posted on 06/25/2004 6:31:04 PM PDT by Russian Sage
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Thanks, pal! Always interested in anything to do with the Basque.

Their language is unique, and I believe their race is well over 20,000 years old. Interesting............FRegards

20 posted on 06/25/2004 8:46:22 PM PDT by gonzo (I support a womans' right to choose! "So, what are they? Silicone or Saline??".........)
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The biggest danger in social science is the allure of romantic wistfulness.


21 posted on 06/25/2004 9:14:52 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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Since you have an interest in archaeology, how do you go back and review posts you made years ago? Is there a shortcut, or do you just have to back up in the My Comments screen for hours?


23 posted on 06/25/2004 9:18:52 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ((David): It's such a fine line between stupid an'...(Derek): ...and clever.)
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bttt


29 posted on 06/25/2004 10:13:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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fascinating


34 posted on 06/25/2004 10:32:44 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Many a law, many a commandment have I broken, but my word never.)
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"...note the similarity between the names Inuk and Ainu"

Must be hallucinatin'. They're about as similar Gnu and butch.

36 posted on 06/25/2004 11:16:45 PM PDT by Rudder
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Most of the links seem very tenuous to me -- which would be obvious since the two languages are separated by the entire breadth of the Eurasian continent and by eons. I thought there was a link between Basque and Chechen, is that correct? If it can be proved that Basque is related to any of the Dravidian languages we could then move with comparisons further east. The strange thing about Dravidian is that though they are mostly in southern india, there is one language still alive in Baluchistan -- Brahui. Finno-Ugaritic is another strange family, but I doubt they're related to the Dravidian or Basque langauges.


41 posted on 06/26/2004 1:19:24 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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It's interesting, nevertheless; thank you for posting it. b


44 posted on 06/26/2004 8:46:07 AM PDT by Barset
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To: blam

It's interesting, nevertheless; thank you for posting it. b


45 posted on 06/26/2004 8:46:18 AM PDT by Barset
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bump


46 posted on 06/26/2004 8:48:16 AM PDT by VOA
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Ping.


61 posted on 06/27/2004 7:54:23 PM PDT by blam
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No ping, just the updated contact information.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
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The GGG Digest
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66 posted on 11/29/2004 9:52:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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Interesting post (as usual) blam. I'd just like to remind everyone that in comparative linguistics you have to be very careful in drawing conclusions from a small number of pairs of matched words. In any pair of unrelated languages, each of a few thousand words, with only a limited number of consonantal and vowel combinations, one predicts a small number of matches by pure chance. One needs to show that the number of independent matches are significantly larger than would be generated by chance.


67 posted on 12/03/2004 11:08:29 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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