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US soldier says commander present when detainee died at Abu Ghraib
AFP ^ | 6/25/04

Posted on 06/25/2004 1:16:11 PM PDT by TexKat

BAGHDAD (AFP) - A US soldier has told how a senior military intelligence commander at Iraq's notorious Abu Ghraib prison was present when a detainee died during questioning.

Speaking as a witness at a two-day preliminary hearing at a military court in Baghdad for a female soldier embroiled in the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal, Captain Donald Reese said a "Colonel Pappas" was one of a number of people present during the interrogation.

Colonel Thomas Pappas was commander of the 205 Military Intelligence Brigade at the prison near Baghdad. He is now deployed in Germany, a US military spokesman said.

On the first day of the hearing for Specialist Sabrina Harman, 26 -- which is due to conclude on Friday -- Reese described how he saw the bleeding body of a prisoner who was brought in alive after a bomb attack on the International Committee of the Red Cross in the Iraqi capital on October 27.

Harman, who faces a range of charges including desecrating a corpse and mistreating prisoners, was photographed grinning next to the body of the prisoner in one of the images of the scandal that shocked the world in April.

"I was told that when he was brought in he was combative, that they took him up to the room and during the interrogation he passed," Reese said during his testimony on Thursday, adding that the first time he saw the man was when he was dead in a shower.

Reese said he had at first been told that the man died of a heart attack.

The body "was bleeding from the head, nose, mouth," he said.

"I heard Colonel Pappas say: 'I'm not going to go down alone for this'," Reese told the hearing.

The body was left locked in the shower overnight to avoid frightening other prisoners and an autopsy was conducted the following day, the captain said.

It established the cause of death as a blood clot from trauma, he added.

Twelve Iraqis were killed in the October car-bombing of the ICRC's Baghdad headquarters.

The hearing was due to continue on Friday.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abughraib; captaindonaldreese; harman; pappas

1 posted on 06/25/2004 1:16:12 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat
A US soldier has told how a senior military intelligence commander at Iraq's notorious Abu Ghraib prison was present when a detainee died during questioning.

They tried a new technique - they showed him this picture:

But the technique misfired after the detainee bled to death after clawing his eyeballs out.

2 posted on 06/25/2004 1:18:50 PM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: TexKat

Not good.


3 posted on 06/25/2004 1:19:10 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: TexKat
On the first day of the hearing for Specialist Sabrina Harman, 26 -- which is due to conclude on Friday -- Reese described how he saw the bleeding body of a prisoner who was brought in alive after a bomb attack on the International Committee of the Red Cross in the Iraqi capital on October 27.

Under the Geneva Conventions, this guy could have been shot on the spot. And there is no indication whether he was already injured when he arrived at the prison, nor whether he knew of other imminent attacks.

We're not getting the whole story here.

4 posted on 06/25/2004 1:22:37 PM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: TexKat

Sounds like Harman has an axe to grind with her colonel and is taking him down with her.


5 posted on 06/25/2004 1:24:33 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Shop smart. Shop S-Mart...)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Oops, I read the story wrong. Captain Reese is the one saying this.


6 posted on 06/25/2004 1:30:02 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Shop smart. Shop S-Mart...)
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To: TexKat
the scandal that shocked the world

More like an overblown molehill created specifically by the liberal media to discredit the Bush Administration.
7 posted on 06/25/2004 1:31:07 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: TomGuy

We must stop the war and get to the bottom of this...NOT.

Is this all the liberals have?


8 posted on 06/25/2004 1:33:22 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: TexKat

The friends of terrorists their fellow (for now) travelers....seek to deflect America off the war on terror...putting America on the propaganda defensive...trying to convince the world and a majority of Americans to replace Bush and just give up the fight...run up the white flag...be nice to the terrorists and they wont hurt us...(the same herd mentality of better him than me)...

This attitude has never been an American one...the passivists are not really passive they are in reality active agents of the third way-fourth reich...and under the delusions created for them
in the course of their public educations and post modern nihilst culture

Both the physical survival and spiritual survival of the real America is at stake...

imo


9 posted on 06/25/2004 1:41:10 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: gathersnomoss
I'm so tired of the prison crap. I really fail to understand the entire scandal thing. It is being handled by the military with the rules in place. Oversight is one thing but that is not what is going on at this time.
10 posted on 06/25/2004 1:49:32 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: TexKat

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn....


11 posted on 06/25/2004 2:09:51 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
No, Harman is being sacrificed, along with the others, so that anyone who had command authority outside the Military Police chain of command is protected, and she's going down fighting. I don't blame her. Pappas, by the way, is a Military Intelligence officer, not an MP. He's not in Harman's chain of command.

If nothing else, I certainly hope MPs learn a lesson and not allow MI to exercise command authority in military prisons and "commandeer" guards for their own interrogation experiments. Karpinski was an idiot for allowing that, and she should be held accountable for her role in the affair.

Sounds like Harman has an axe to grind with her colonel and is taking him down with her.

12 posted on 06/25/2004 2:10:40 PM PDT by Brig_Gen_George_P_Harrison_CSA
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To: Brig_Gen_George_P_Harrison_CSA
Welcome to freerepublic

FMCDH(BITS)

13 posted on 06/25/2004 3:15:25 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: TexKat
From the story, it seems like this prisoner died from injuries coming from that bomb attack, not anything done to him at the prison.

'Course, that doesn't mean anything to the Bush haters.

14 posted on 06/25/2004 3:21:59 PM PDT by nightdriver
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