I find that the evidence is overwhelming on both sides of the debate. When that happens I usually try to rely on logic to come up with the most likely answer.
Although I have no doubts that there are ways to 'reprogram' early stage homosexuals I find it hard to believe that young kids would choose a homosexual lifestyle over a heterosexual one.
Until someone can adequately explain that one I will continue to disbelieve that homosexual is totally behavioral. There HAS to be more to it.
I agree. And there's no way I could "unlearn" my heterosexuality, no matter how hard I tried. I'm just not into other women, never have been, and can't see how I could make myself be. If it's all learned then sexual preference should be alterable in both directions. Who of the straights among us believe that we could learn to be gay and like it?
I believe that that the true story is a combo of sociological and biological factors, in different proportions for different people. Even gays I've met have had different explanations for how they are who they are.
. One is convinced he was born that way (or became that way very early on). Another thinks he could have ended up either way but a difficult home life, abuse, and a very weird relationship with his mother sent him over to bat for the other team. There's no consensus even among gays, when you talk to them one on one (and I don't mean the vocal PR groups).
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Well they don't "choose" schizophrenia or other psychological disorders either. Mental illness comes on for many complex reasons, overt choice usually isn't one of them.
If homosexuality were genetic, wouldn't it have died out thousands of years ago? How would true genetically-based homosexuals have procreated over the years?
I agree.
I agree that it isn't entirely a choice.
I equate homosexuality with fetishes. Some have an irresistable compunction to be sexually aroused by shoes, leather, etc., as well as those who are sexually aroused by being abused, dominated, humiliated, etc.
That isn't always a choice, per say, but it is almost certainly learned behavior.
What specific points on the pro-homosexuality side do you find overwhelming?
You need to consider the incidence of early child sexual abuse on the numbers of later self-identifying homosexuals. You will find some startling correlations.
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/1995papers/tabin.html
"Herzog's patients were all children of single mothers..."
That is what is concealed in sexual identity disorder research (AKA "gender identity," etc.) the most. They shy away from initiating any such research, because they well know what the reports would have to say. To do so would be to run afoul of much that is politically correct in academia and to also run afoul of huge government programs designed by NOW to break the family (VAWA, CHild Support Act, etc.). It is very much an environmental/learning cause, albeit only one cause.
Here are some compassionate resources that might be helpful.
How Might Homosexuality Develop?
Putting the Pieces Together
http://www.narth.com/docs/pieces.html
More...
Is Homosexuality Genetic?
http://www.narth.com/menus/born.html
National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality
http://www.narth.com/
These two that I know were not molested, though I would be willing to believe that molesting can well IMPRINT a poor child to respond sexually to his own sex.
I believe that someone who is born homosexual (I definitely think most are) COULD live life as a heterosexual EXACTLY as easily as heterosexual men could live life without sex. I believe that when sex was private, in earlier days, many G-dfearing men were forced to live without sex (perhaps they were military yet married back home, or perhaps their wives refused them, and they would not use a prostitute), and they just did, focusing on other things in their lives.
The problem today is that the society is publicly oversexed. Even FR is not immune. So much sex talk in public, on TV, in magazines, makes it too easy to succumb to temptation. We are not helping the world by acting as though one would DIE if one did not have sex every day. Joke if you must, but we have brought sex out into the open and gays just tagged along for the ride.
It is too easy to live the "out" lifestyle, so why would a gay man want to sublimate all of his sexual desires and marry and live with a woman for the rest of his life? He wants to be like us, free and open about sex all day long. Who can blame him, really?
The genie hates the bottle. So do all of you.
Although I have no doubts that there are ways to 'reprogram' early stage homosexuals I find it hard to believe that young kids would choose a homosexual lifestyle over a heterosexual one.
Until someone can adequately explain that one I will continue to disbelieve that homosexual is totally behavioral. There HAS to be more to it."
Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse
Scandals involving the sexual abuse of under-age boys by homosexual priests have rocked the Roman Catholic Church. At the same time, defenders of homosexuality argue that youth organizations such as the Boy Scouts should be forced to include homosexuals among their adult leaders. Similarly, the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), a homosexual activist organization that targets schools, has spearheaded the formation of "Gay-Straight Alliances" among students. GLSEN encourages homosexual teachers--even in the youngest grades--to be open about their sexuality, as a way of providing role models to "gay" students. In addition, laws or policies banning employment discrimination based on "sexual orientation" usually make no exception for those who work with children or youth.
Many parents have become concerned that children may be molested, encouraged to become sexually active, or even "recruited" into adopting a homosexual identity and lifestyle. Gay activists dismiss such concerns--in part, by strenuously insisting that there is no connection between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of children.
However, despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the two. This is because, by definition, male homosexuals are sexually attracted to other males. While many homosexuals may not seek young sexual partners, the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners. In this paper we will consider the following evidence linking homosexuality to pedophilia:
see link
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3